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Steve,

liked your blog post and editorial today about this issue, and couldn't agree more that there should be more transparency.

As a DBA in the UK, I feel very, very distant from PASS. I joined a few years ago, but my location is a large barrier to any physical events! Not that that is PASSs fault.

My only direct connection is regular emails about every 3-4 weeks. I do participate in my local user group, which in turn is linked with the UK SSUG, which itself is somehow 'affiliated' to PASS (although the only clue to that is a link to the UK SSUG from SQLPAss.org) - hardly feel 'connected'!

I don't feel part of a community with PASS, I feel more part of a community here at SSC. I certainly don't feel as though PASS does anything for me, and if it ceased tomorrow, I'm not sure I'd notice.
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Sorry, one of the noisy 50 still making noise.

The PASS Summit is one of the best networking events I've ever seen. The way that the leaders in the community reach out to others, the opportunities for talking to each other, vendors, writers, MVP's... it's great. I have great friends there that I only see once a year.

Except for the summit though, the organization doesn't do much for the day-to-day lives of DBA's that I can see. They have an active interest and a network connection with local user groups around the country. But, as a leader of one of those user groups, I don't get anything from that association. When we launched the group we received a few books and once last year we got some old SQL Standard magazines. We also recieved a kickback for members that attended the summit (which was actually quite nice). Other than that... silence. No help with speakers or sponsors. As the leader of a user group, I'm on my own except for the support I get from the rest of the SQL Server community. I'd love to see something out of PASS on this.

Don't get me wrong, I know that it's a volunteer run organization. I'm one of the volunteers. I also know that volunteering you can only do so much. Even what you commit to do isn't always done as well as it should be or on time or sometimes, even done at all. But more is needed. Things have improved over the years in some ways. PASS has much better technology supporting the organization now than it did. Some of the support staff is excellent (Sanjeet & Blythe, you guys are great), but that's two people. They're only going to get so much done.

Anyway, that's the one thing I'd like to see. More direct support for the local users groups.


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kevriley (10/22/2009)
Steve,

liked your blog post and editorial today about this issue, and couldn't agree more that there should be more transparency.

As a DBA in the UK, I feel very, very distant from PASS. I joined a few years ago, but my location is a large barrier to any physical events! Not that that is PASSs fault.

My only direct connection is regular emails about every 3-4 weeks. I do participate in my local user group, which in turn is linked with the UK SSUG, which itself is somehow 'affiliated' to PASS (although the only clue to that is a link to the UK SSUG from SQLPAss.org) - hardly feel 'connected'!

I don't feel part of a community with PASS, I feel more part of a community here at SSC. I certainly don't feel as though PASS does anything for me, and if it ceased tomorrow, I'm not sure I'd notice.


I am also a DBA in the uk, Where is your local group?, never seen one anywhere near where I work. PASS doesnt really have any effect on what I do, just seems to be another organisation that is there in the background, that people rave about but doesnt seem to offer anything to DBA's working in the UK.


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Silverfox,

my local group is the Manchester SSUG, part of the UK SSUG - try their website www.sqlserverfaq.com - it's maintained mainly by Tony Rogerson. They also have meetings in Leeds, Reading, London, Cardiff, Dundee and Bracknell.

As you'll see from the website though, there's no reference to PASS!

Where are you based?




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kevriley (10/22/2009)
Silverfox,

my local group is the Manchester SSUG, part of the UK SSUG - try their website www.sqlserverfaq.com - it's maintained mainly by Tony Rogerson. They also have meetings in Leeds, Reading, London, Cardiff, Dundee and Bracknell.

As you'll see from the website though, there's no reference to PASS!

Where are you based?

Kev


based in North Wales, but living and working in woking atm, well for the next month or so, then anywhere in europe. I go where the work is.

maybe the next london meeting I might try and get to.

scratch that, cannot make those times, bloody typical, how can you be expected to be there when the start times are part of BAU Hours. lol


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PASS does put on a Summit in Europe. It's not as big or as well advertised as the Summit in the US (usually in Seattle these days), but it's pretty well attended by most of the bigger name presenters. It was held in Germany in April of this year. You guys should try to go next year.

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Silverfox (10/22/2009)

scratch that, cannot make those times, bloody typical, how can you be expected to be there when the start times are part of BAU Hours. lol


I think they do that to keep the finish times down to a reasonable hour, whilst getting as much into the meeting as poss.
You're right though it doesn't make it easy for us who dare to not work in the confines of the city!!


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Another one do the noisy 50 chiming in.

Until about 2 years ago I was only vaguely aware that PASS existed and that was because I saw reference to the Summit here on SSC. I lived 2.5-3 hours from the nearest user group and have a life outside SQL so making that kind of effort was not happening. Now I am co-President of my local chapter (OPASS) and have some idea of what PASS is and what I think it should do. I think PASS should stand on the shoulders of the local chapters. PASS should be working to develop:


    A speaker directory where local chapter leaders can find speakers in their region
    A sponsor directory so we can find sponsors or at least who to contact in listed companies about sponsorship.
    Training beyond the Summit. I'd include speaking seminars, chapter leader seminars. By accident I found out that there are regional mentors, find that information on the PASS web site.


I'm sure I could come up with more, but I think I made my point. I believe PASS is only as strong as it's local chapters, so right now, the focus needs to be on strengthening them.

I'll be at the chapter leaders lunch on Thursday at the Summit and I think these are things Chapter Leaders need to bring up and I will.




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Grant Fritchey (10/22/2009)
PASS does put on a Summit in Europe. It's not as big or as well advertised as the Summit in the US (usually in Seattle these days), but it's pretty well attended by most of the bigger name presenters. It was held in Germany in April of this year. You guys should try to go next year.


In the UK we have SQL Bits, which is now the biggest SQL Server conference in Europe.
Best of all, its FREE!



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