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Posted Friday, March 6, 2009 5:08 AM


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We are getting 20 working days leave + 12 holidays (not falling on weekend) + 6 Medical Leaves. What else we require.
Only job security.
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Posted Friday, March 6, 2009 5:29 AM


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Too many things positive or negative:

22 work days - Saturday and Sunday is day off
18 day holiday in year
15 day sick in year



Money or budget for any certification no chance! Just yourself if you have!

Insurance health for the moment no chance!

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Posted Friday, March 6, 2009 5:51 AM
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If i were to say anything, additional training would be good, it is very easy to be out of date very quickly.
It's the one thing i am constantly onto management about, and it's the one thing that constantly falls short...


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Posted Friday, March 6, 2009 5:51 AM


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Let me state up front that I am absolutely, adamantly, passionately against unionizing our industry in any way...

If the gun were held to my head and I was forced to join the union or give up paying the mortgage, I'd want a guarantee of telecommuting. It's the dumbest thing in the world that I'm expected to bring my happy shining face into the office so that I can spend the entire day with it pointed at a monitor, working on machines and processes that are located in another building, just so some manager can walk by and see the back of my head which somehow gives him a warm & comfy feeling of security. If the union could give us that, the other 99% of the suck that it would bring would suck a little less. As to guaranteed pensions... no, I think that's one of the worst things the unions have done to companies, look at American automobile manufacturers. But, some more vacation time would be nice. I've been at my current company long enough to qualify for three weeks, but four would be too sweet (and is more than two years away if I stay here).


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Posted Friday, March 6, 2009 5:59 AM
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Overtime pay or comp time. I think I should be compensated for giving up my personal time to do work that benefits the company.

If it was easy, everybody would be doing it!;)
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Posted Friday, March 6, 2009 6:16 AM
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How about creating an "official non-union" to publish a reasonable list of benefits that employers should expect to offer in order to attract and retain good employees. Workers could voluntarily sign it like a petition to demonstrate mass support and companies could voluntarily comply to generate positive publicity (the carrot) and to aviod unionization (the stick).

Isn't it an interesting coincidence that in SQL we have UNIONs that JOIN together various members to generate a RESULT.



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Posted Friday, March 6, 2009 6:18 AM
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I suppose more time off would be nice, but then I would become lazy and complain about my contract all the time. The fundamental problem would be that unions attempt to make all workers equal which really takes away the desire to elevate your abilities since there really is no reason to, being average generates the same amount of money.

I don't know who only gives 2 weeks of vacation in the US that is past a year or two of experience, I have been places that have 2 weeks vacation and 2 weeks of sick leave. Most treat sick leave as something to have for "mental health days" . We have a good amount of holidays, if you work for gov't there is one every few weeks. Nothing close to Europe however.

Unions would do for tech what they did for the auto industry. When I am laid off, I can get full pay and go sit in the union hall and read the paper.


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Posted Friday, March 6, 2009 6:26 AM
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The one thing on the list I used to have, but don't anymore is paid certification tests. Fifteen years ago, a test was around $100, and all my employers would reimburse me for any IT test I passed. The last few I've looked at have been $400-$900 per test, and my employer doesn't cover any of those costs.
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Posted Friday, March 6, 2009 6:36 AM
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A lot of people who aren't in unions today seem to have forgotten (or never taken) history lessons regarding about how and why unions came about. Even without unions now, we would not have the vacations we do have, maybe the pay we do have, certainly the 8 hour day, without the unions that many of our grandparents and great grandparents (and maybe even parents) belong to before us.

Does that mean I think unions are the greatest thing since sliced cheese? Not necessarily, but sometimes one does need a group structure to make sure that businesses don't take advantage of their employees (which I often think happens more than we admit in the IT industry).

But going back to the topic at hand, my one preference would be a prohibition on being on call when you are on vacation, taking personal time, etc. That, and maybe not being required to give your cell phone number so you can be reached anytime, anywhere.
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