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Posted Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:43 PM


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I know this probably isn't going to make you get rid of your Porsche but there's a significant body of evidence to suggest that global warming is happening and that we are the cause of it. Quote from New Scientist article:

The "best" warming rate predicted by the IPCC study is 0.2 °C per decade. To put that in perspective, the predicted rate of change is about 50 times faster than the warming which brought an end to the last major ice age which, up to that point, was itself the largest sustained natural change in climate for the past 100 000 years.


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A figure I've heard for the UK is that half of our carbon emissions are as a result of heating - domestic, industrial and commercial.

So, insulate well, double/triple glaze, turn down the thermostat - and drive that Porsche!


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Good BI will do little to help us get to the truth, because the truth doesn't matter very much. The IPCC is not a scientific organization, it is a political organization.

Something as important as the future of mankind oughtn't be relegated to politics. Unfortunately, good science is taking a back seat to--no, getting stuffed into the trunk--when it comes to the political agendas being promulgated by devotees of global warming.

Here are two interesting articles. The first is a review of the scientific literature:
Environmental Effects of Increased Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide
http://www.michaelcrichton.com/speech-ourenvironmentalfuture.html

The next is by the late, great scientist, physician, author, & producer Michael Crichton:
The Case for Skepticism on Global Warming
http://www.petitionproject.org/gwdatabase/GW_Article/GWReview_OISM600.pdf

I invite you to print it in color & read it carefully. In this article, Crichton asks:
Is global warming happening?
Is it anthropogenic?
Can we do anything about it?
Should we?

The abstract: Crichton's "detailed explanation of why he criticizes global warming scenarios. Using published UN data, he reviews why claims for catastrophic warming arouse doubt; why reducing CO2 is vastly more difficult than we are being told; and why we are morally unjustified to spend vast sums on this speculative issue when around the world people are dying of starvation and disease."

To those who think the global financial crisis is serious, or those in the US who are aware of the pending Social Security & Medicare crises, all three combined pale in comparison to the cost of remediating so-called global warming.



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Here in the UK, the most prominant documentary we have seen arguing the case against global warming and which relied heavily on the sunspot argument was shown on channel 4 in 2007

However, 37 senior scientists reported the makers of this documentary reported to Ofcom (the regulatory body) for falsifying the data for graphs and misrepresenting scientists.
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.politics.bush/2007-05/msg00886.html

However, they were not able to prosecute because only a news programme is required to be 'factual'.

I would have thought there would be more political pressure AGAINST global warming as the government is lobbied by companies that don't want to clean up after themselves or spend money on lower carbon technolgies... I read the New Scientist every week and nearly all the studies show that global warming is real and is happening. Are you saying that the scientist that publish in this magazine are part of some government plot????

Unfortunately, good science is taking a back seat to--no, getting stuffed into the trunk--when it comes to the political agendas being promulgated by devotees of global capitalism.

Your children (if you have any - not planning on having any myself so I don't really have any agenda here) are going to bear the brunt of our inactions. Is it enough to just hope global warming isn't happening or should we try to do what we can to minimise it's effects now before various tipping points are reached which will cause warming costing future generations $$$$$$$$$$ (or ££££££££££)?

We spend billions on insurance, would it not be prudent (as a kind of insurance for future generations) to spend some cash on keeping the planet hospitable and able to provide food?

Just some thoughts anyway...
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Global warming is a hoax that is conceived and perpetuated by Al Gore, and his cronies, to advance his wallet via this "carbon credits" scam. That inconvenient truth movie was completely debunked. The planet is 4 billion years old. Thats a huge dataset that no one has access to. No one knows what "normal" is because there is no such thing as normal. Records kept for the last 150 years cant determine "normal", against 4 billion years of existence. Please. Anyone with any sort of intelligence can read sites like:

http://www.junkscience.com
http://www.discussglobalwarming.com/blog
http://www.newsbusters.com

and figure out that what these people are trying to do is create an entirely new industry with the sole purpose of shifting wealth for their own cause. Is the climate changing, yes. It always changes. Its fluid. Are WE causing it? It would be arrogant to believe that we have any impact on the global climate AND even worse, that we could tweak it. Its not a simple thermostat that some instant gratification teenager wants the AC turned up because he's too warm or anything like that. Lets use our brains.
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(Apologies for the long post.)

The UN global warming report was published with 52 scientists signing on. In 2007 over 400 scientists refuted it. In 2008 that number has grown to over 650.

This one caught my eye. Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” - UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist.


Here's in interesting clip from C. Hall (SUNY-Syracuse prof, after attending the 33rd International Geology Conf in Norway).

"I could not at first figure out why there was so much hostility between the two climate groups. At first I thought it empiricists vs modelers, although each group was somewhat mixed. Then I concluded that it is the geologists, used to studying constant climate change over very long time periods of Earth's history, who think that basically the climate of the earth is always changing due to various forcings, and what's the big deal now? The IPCCers respond that the Earth has never seen CO2 levels such as we are headed for and that the CO2 changes produce a strong enough signal to change the climate. And on and on. John Holdren has recently prepared a point by point response to the anti IPCCers which I will try to send out. Then we can expect a rebuttal to that and so on."


Now, to address the people that are readying their retorts that I don't agree with their particular views on this subject, hold off. 1) this is supposed to be about the consciousness of Porsche. 2) I will often include arguments from both sides of an issue, don't be goaded into thinking one way or another.


So, Steve, YOU have to decide your actions and inactions. Is the Porsche "right"? IMHO, I think you can safely say yes. After all, how much are you driving it? You appear to have significant remediations, to offset the Porsche. You're not tooling around the country in a motorcade of Escalades, etc.

I also think Steve and his liked minded folks will find this interesting: http://www.theoildrum.com/tag/passive_solar_series

Along with the discussion about a passive solar house 20 miles north of Milwaukee, Wisconsin. (About 10 posts down.) http://campfire.theoildrum.com/node/4947#comments_top


I've been contemplating the construction of my retirement home. I've got a chunk of land in central New Hampshire, on the side of knoll. I'm working on the idea of building into the side of a hill, with massive (12") double concrete walls. Using the air space between for an insulating layer. Convection of warm air between the walls, stored in a heat sink (drums filled with water & gravel) in a lower level. Closed loop circulating pump to run water to the roof for heat collection during the day.

I have other ideas, but I'm very tired and need to move on. (Production issue, have been here since 3am.) Thanks for your time.



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Global warming is a hoax that is conceived and perpetuated by Al Gore, and his cronies, to advance his wallet via this "carbon credits" scam. That inconvenient truth movie was completely debunked. The planet is 4 billion years old. Thats a huge dataset that no one has access to. No one knows what "normal" is because there is no such thing as normal. Records kept for the last 150 years cant determine "normal", against 4 billion years of existence. Please. Anyone with any sort of intelligence can read sites like:

http://www.junkscience.com
http://www.discussglobalwarming.com/blog
http://www.newsbusters.com

and figure out that what these people are trying to do is create an entirely new industry with the sole purpose of shifting wealth for their own cause. Is the climate changing, yes. It always changes. Its fluid. Are WE causing it? It would be arrogant to believe that we have any impact on the global climate AND even worse, that we could tweak it. Its not a simple thermostat that some instant gratification teenager wants the AC turned up because he's too warm or anything like that. Lets use our brains.
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I read about global warming in book about the solar system from the 70s - I don't think Al Gore invented it!


the predicted rate of change is about 50 times faster than the warming which brought an end to the last major ice age which, up to that point, was itself the largest sustained natural change in climate for the past 100 000 years

Doesn't seem too "normal" for me, if we look at the last 100,000 years anyway...

Whether carbon credits is a good idea or not, it doesn't stop the fact that the world is warming up. I'm going to try and do my bit anyway (insulate my house, not make unnecessary journeys in my car, recycle stuff), even if you can't be bothered ;)
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Actually in the 70s it was global cooling that was in the headlines not global warming.

These guys can't even predict how much rain will fall in NYC next month. Which rain and snow have a great deal to do with the temprature of the planet as well. When you say 1 to 3 inches that is a huge diffrence.

It is just a power grab by the government.

The planet must heated up before. New York isn't under a glacier anymore.

If global warming was also a real concern. Then why are we building roads. concrete capture heat very well.

No we should get our selves off dirty burning fuels just because the same reason you want a clean house. Nice to come home too.
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