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Posted Monday, October 20, 2008 4:34 AM
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One thing struck me in that editorial.

It's about being fair, now I totally agree with that being the correct way to go. But I do not believe that is the best way to getting rich. Look at the larger companies, they do as they want and they can handle the lawyers costs. Even if you have the right on your side, can you afford the process against one of em? Look at IBM, they helped Germany during world war 2 with their computers and the death camps, they are still around today and are quite successful.
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@K Brian, don't forget that the violinist didn't say getting good was simply a matter of spending time; he was saying that not spending the time was a barrier to success. I agree with you that effort won't overcome lack of talent, but that goes for entrepreneurs too - plenty of business people who spend lots of time but aren't successful. However, entrepreneurs with talent still have to put in the time and effort.

@IceDread, I agree that large companies are very good at making their financial clout work for them. However, they still can't "do as they want", since it's amazing how small a moral misjudgement they can make and suddenly be on the hitlist of a huge number of consumers, thereby effectively losing their revenue in one fell swoop. And, whilst we're discussing being fair, it's only reasonable to point out that IBM today is a totally different company to what it was in the post-war years in the same way that Germany today is entirely unlike the country that went to war. I agree that IBM should have had to account for its actions after the war, but how long does one hold a grudge? I suspect 60 years is a little long....

That notwithstanding, though, I agree there are plenty of unscrupulous ways of becoming very rich, though I'm happy that riches in themselves have little enough interest to me that I'm not tempted in any way to exploit those avenues. One does have to live with oneself even after (if?) one manages to amass the wealth.


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No one going to pick on the violinist? Hard not to understand his point, but no points for gracefully accepting a little adulation.

Most of us worry about money until we hit point x; where that point is often defined by how much time, effort, or stress we'd have to endure to go further. Happiness might be defined as knowing when you have enough. I find that the trap most people fall into (including me occasionally) is that enough seems to keep moving upward and then you're just on the treadmill. Are you happier than you were five years ago? Why not? Will another $10k really make you happy?

To go on about money for a moment, I think it's less about what you make than what you owe. There's a lot to be said for saving the money and then buying whatever thing you need (two exceptions are buying a first home and student loans).


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I am rich - I have a loving and happy family, good friends and I am happy with my life. That is what makes me rich. I have never been too materialistic (I say too, because I do love my XBox 360 and it's toys). But I think society puts way too much credence into monetary gain.
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Interesting comments, and no complaints, Jeff. Just wondering. Usually I get a good diatribe if I've stoked your interest.

As I get older, I realize that no matter how much you practice, the talent has to be there. But that doesn't mean that practice won't get you a long way there. You might not get to be the concert violinist, but you can do well, perhaps entertain at the local civic center. And the violinist was an A** without a doubt. Just accept the praise.

Rich is relative. All the exercise I've been doing in the last year has made me wealthy in the health department. Money is nice, and I'd like to make more, but only so much I can do there. We'll see if any of my enterprises takes off, but whether they make any money or not, I've learned and think they've been worth the effort.







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I find that the trap most people fall into (including me occasionally) is that enough seems to keep moving upward and then you're just on the treadmill. Are you happier than you were five years ago? Why not? Will another $10k really make you happy?


To dovetail on your comment a bit, my experience has been that fear about not having enough money (and, therefore, going after more of it) has more to do with the person than the amount of money they earn. Greedy people are greedy whether they make $60,000/yr or $6,000,000/yr. They simply have to have more. Others are content making whatever they make, as long as they're getting what they want out of life (which usually doesn't revolve around money as much).

My wife and I wish we made more, at least to cover the cost of rising oil and food prices, but when we take a step back and realize we can pay our bills, afford a few of the little things we want, and have some left to give to charity, we feel very blessed. And that's a feeling no amount of additional money can buy.


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No one going to pick on the violinist? Hard not to understand his point, but no points for gracefully accepting a little adulation.

Most of us worry about money until we hit point x; ...
... Are you happier than you were five years ago? Why not? Will another $10k really make you happy?

But to be fair to the violinist, he wasn't talking about money or even necessarily financial success. He was talking about personal accomplishment and I think that his reply if a fair reminder to people who grow up in a society infused with a magic realism oriented media and a culture of wish-fulfillment.

Virtually all worthwhile things in life require sacrificing other things. In fact, I would go further and say that all significant things (even those that we may not consider worthwhile) require some kind of sacrifice. spending time with your family requires you to sacrifice time spent on achievement or personal accomplishment. Defending your nation typically requires sacrificing time with your family (in many cases this is quite substantial). So on and so on, ...


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Whenever I'm feeling poor, I compare what I have today to what people had in the past. Say 16th or 17th century England, ancient Rome, even the 1800s. If my house, car and things were all magically transported to any other era in history, I'd be the richest man around. Heck, you could even look at certain countries today. Whenever a developer here complains about some quirk in Visual Studio 2008, I tell him there are starving children in Africa who'd probably kill for a nice IDE like that. They're probably coding in VB6 for crying out loud!
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Posted Monday, October 20, 2008 8:26 AM


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They're probably coding in VB6 for crying out loud!


LOL! Like we are doing here at our company still. We have many legacy VB6 apps that are in production.
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