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Good pick and debatable topic!

But i have noticed one thing, it can be neglected but worth sharing, that the based research is published by BlueWolf, which in-fact also an outsourcing service provider. So the information provided by the them, is much realistic to be worried/happy about?

Also the trend/need to switch towards cloud computing may also leverage jobs in big DWH etc to equate the Layoff of small offices?

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Companies used to have/show loyalty to employees. As a result, employees were loyal in return. For a very long time companies have thrown loyalty out the window but still want it in return. Sorry, life doesn't work that way. Work is a partnership. If you treat employees fairly they will treat you fairly. Since companies no longer do that, they are reaping the "benefits". Sure, there are some companies that do things right, as there are employees that won't do the right thing no matter what. Unfortunately history has shown that companies tend to take advantage of down times to cut costs (lower salaries and benefits!) and they don't return things to where they were afterwards unless you are in the C-Suite!

I am NOT an OWS (Occupy Wall Street) supporter in any way, and absolutely hate the BS they stand for. That said, SOME of the points they make have a basis in reality. How long before all companies start to suffer consequences as people listen to what OWA says, given the media's propensity to accept any liberal idea as fact regardless of a lack of proof? If they try to fix things on their own first, maybe they can eliminate issues. I remember a story of a development company during the last down turn that refused to cut from the workers, and thus when things turned around, they saw almost no turn over. Their competitors were gutted!


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djackson 22568 (8/27/2012)
Companies used to have/show loyalty to employees. As a result, employees were loyal in return. For a very long time companies have thrown loyalty out the window but still want it in return. Sorry, life doesn't work that way. Work is a partnership. If you treat employees fairly they will treat you fairly. Since companies no longer do that, they are reaping the "benefits". Sure, there are some companies that do things right, as there are employees that won't do the right thing no matter what. Unfortunately history has shown that companies tend to take advantage of down times to cut costs (lower salaries and benefits!) and they don't return things to where they were afterwards unless you are in the C-Suite!

I am NOT an OWA supporter in any way, and absolutely hate the BS they stand for. That said, SOME of the points they make have a basis in reality. How long before all companies start to suffer consequences as people listen to what OWA says, given the media's propensity to accept any liberal idea as fact regardless of a lack of proof? If they try to fix things on their own first, maybe they can eliminate issues. I remember a story of a development company during the last down turn that refused to cut from the workers, and thus when things turned around, they saw almost no turn over. Their competitors were gutted!


OWA? I found several definitions, none of them make sense in this context. Outlook Web Application, Open Wireless Architecture, Oracle Web Application, and so on.


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OWA? I found several definitions, none of them make sense in this context. Outlook Web Application, Open Wireless Architecture, Oracle Web Application, and so on.


I believe David meant Occupy Wall Street (OWS)







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Abrar Ahmad_ (8/27/2012)

Good pick and debatable topic!

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Also the trend/need to switch towards cloud computing may also leverage jobs in big DWH etc to equate the Layoff of small offices?



Thanks, but not sure what you mean by the last statement? I'm sure some smaller offices are foregoing IT staff. I see that already. They use consultants here and there (perhaps a growth opportunity?) and cloud-type services. It makes sense.

Why would any small company use Exchange anymore? It's a fantastic product for calendaring, but there's a lot of overhead for 5-10 people. Easier to use something online, even Office 365.







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Companies used to have/show loyalty to employees. As a result, employees were loyal in return. For a very long time companies have thrown loyalty out the window but still want it in return. Sorry, life doesn't work that way. Work is a partnership. If you treat employees fairly they will treat you fairly. Since companies no longer do that, they are reaping the "benefits". Sure, there are some companies that do things right, as there are employees that won't do the right thing no matter what. Unfortunately history has shown that companies tend to take advantage of down times to cut costs (lower salaries and benefits!) and they don't return things to where they were afterwards unless you are in the C-Suite!

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Yep, for sure.

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That said, SOME of the points they make have a basis in reality. How long before all companies start to suffer consequences as people listen to what OWS says, given the media's propensity to accept any liberal idea as fact regardless of a lack of proof? If they try to fix things on their own first, maybe they can eliminate issues. I remember a story of a development company during the last down turn that refused to cut from the workers, and thus when things turned around, they saw almost no turn over. Their competitors were gutted!


Don't want to politicize this. But I agree. Some of OWS stuff makes sense. We've gotten to the point where we are tipping a little too far towards the executives taking advantage of workers, especially in IT. Some companies are paying the price for their actions, some are doing much better by acting in a partnership with employees.







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Companies used to have/show loyalty to employees. As a result, employees were loyal in return. For a very long time companies have thrown loyalty out the window but still want it in return. Sorry, life doesn't work that way. Work is a partnership. If you treat employees fairly they will treat you fairly. Since companies no longer do that, they are reaping the "benefits". Sure, there are some companies that do things right, as there are employees that won't do the right thing no matter what. Unfortunately history has shown that companies tend to take advantage of down times to cut costs (lower salaries and benefits!) and they don't return things to where they were afterwards unless you are in the C-Suite!

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Yep, for sure.

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That said, SOME of the points they make have a basis in reality. How long before all companies start to suffer consequences as people listen to what OWS says, given the media's propensity to accept any liberal idea as fact regardless of a lack of proof? If they try to fix things on their own first, maybe they can eliminate issues. I remember a story of a development company during the last down turn that refused to cut from the workers, and thus when things turned around, they saw almost no turn over. Their competitors were gutted!


Don't want to politicize this. But I agree. Some of OWS stuff makes sense. We've gotten to the point where we are tipping a little too far towards the executives taking advantage of workers, especially in IT. Some companies are paying the price for their actions, some are doing much better by acting in a partnership with employees.


I agree with you. Where I disagree with OWS (I think I used the wrong letters before?) is in their blaming the bankers for our financial crisis. Yes, they contributed, especially the idiot in charge of the Fed with his quantitative easing BS. However a larger portion of blame goes to the governments across the world. Greece, Spain and other countries are leading the fall. The US is right behind them. We have added almost $6 trillion dollars in debt in less than 4 years! We have built a house of cards on a fault line, we shouldn't be surprised when it comes crashing down. But back to my point about the media, they refuse to print the truth, wanting instead to only print that which they think will increase their profits. Our politicians in the US do what they think will keep them in power. Corporate America has bought our politicians, and uses their control over government to prevent passage of any protections for the American worker, both from companies and foreign workers brought over and taken advantage of by the same companies that are screwing our citizens. As negative as this paragraph is, there are a lot of ethical business people, and blaming all of them isn't right. I don't know the percentage of businessmen and women that are unethical and disloyal, but it isn't all of them.

We need to find a way to fix the ills of our society without detroying the good things we have built. OWS is in favor os socialism and against capitalism, and socialism has proven to be a failure.


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I don't necessarily believe that the outsourcing wave has anything to do with political aspirations or is anything new in the business cycle. At all times a business is chraged with trying to define what is "core" to their business, and what is anciallary. The idea is to retain those things tht are core and enhance them (maximize what is your core advantage), while off-loading the ancillary items. It's actually good, since it allow for new, specialized industries to appear, whose core business is what another company no longer considers core.

But this has always been happening: the first companies who put together tractors, used to assemble and make every part. As time went by they off-loaded more and more onto other companies, who got better at making those parts. SO yes - there are jobs shifting from one company to others, but in almost every case it leads to a net increase in jobs, and not the other way around.

The business cycle is getting shorter, but if anything - data is becoming MORE central rather than less. As long as we're smarter enough to continue to evolve with the business, our functions will continue to be highly relevant and central to our organization's success. Things will continue to change, and some functions will either be automated or off-loaded, but that simply allows us to focus on the truly important aspects. Call me a starry-eyed optimist, but I'm not worried - I actually look forward to it.


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I don't necessarily believe that the outsourcing wave has anything to do with political aspirations or is anything new in the business cycle. At all times a business is chraged with trying to define what is "core" to their business, and what is anciallary. The idea is to retain those things tht are core and enhance them (maximize what is your core advantage), while off-loading the ancillary items. It's actually good, since it allow for new, specialized industries to appear, whose core business is what another company no longer considers core.

But this has always been happening: the first companies who put together tractors, used to assemble and make every part. As time went by they off-loaded more and more onto other companies, who got better at making those parts. SO yes - there are jobs shifting from one company to others, but in almost every case it leads to a net increase in jobs, and not the other way around.

Call me a starry-eyed optimist, but I'm not worried - I actually look forward to it.


Hmm, you do seem optimistic, and I applaud that attitude.

I have to disagree with outsourcing leading to a net increase in jobs. Caterpillar and other manufacturers shed jobs and sent them overseas. Whether there are more jobs in China doesn't matter to me, the fact that a large numbers of Americans lost their jobs does, because I believe we should take care of our own first. Also, until the US economy improves, the world economy isn't going to, and that is hurting billions across the planet. US consumers drive the world economy more than any other country.

As to your first point, it is political today. Companies used to outsource jobs overseas simply because of smaller wage costs. Today they are outsourcing jobs due to environmental regulations being pushed by extremists claiming to "save the planet". If we want to save the planet, why are we moving jobs to countries that have almost NO environmental regulations? Even if we think it is good to have these regulations, we have to admit they are political by definition. I do think we need to treat our planet better, but I recognize that when companies are forced to close factories due to government regulations, that is a political decision that forced the business decision. I am sure there are still jobs being lost to greedy business leaders, but that is no longer the only cause.

Sigh, if only I had a magic wand from one of those characters in the very popular magic books and movies, I could cast a spell to make everyone get along, everyone to have enough to eat, and everyone to work hard. Sadly human nature prevents that sort of thing from every really happening (peace and tranquility, not magic of course!)


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