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Posted Thursday, December 8, 2011 9:43 PM


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Posted Friday, December 9, 2011 12:06 AM


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I personally do not want my job duties to be spelled out that completely. Most of the more interesting work I've done has been because someone dropped by my desk and asked 'Hey, got a second? I've got this idea...'

Add to that I'm not sure software is ready to be equivalent to assembly line work yet. One of these days we'll probably have enough standardized code (delimitedsplit8k comes to mind as an example) of methodology that it'll simply be recognizing the necessary components and assembling them, but we're not there yet. Data would need to be standardized before the tools applied to them could be. Imagine if every bolt you ran into had a different number of sides on the head.

I think as long as there's a reasonable understanding of the work to be done and the time expectations to perform it, things will muddle along just fine.



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I have signed a contract but, probably like most people's, it's a little vague.
I like it that way.

I always make sure there's a line that basically reads "and anything other job as necessary" in my contracts. It gives me a lot of scope for doing other things when I have the time.

I think contracts are a good idea for working hours, working conditions and things like that, but specifying actual duties may be a step too far.
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Posted Friday, December 9, 2011 1:31 AM
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I would not like to have my duties spelled out exactly because I like different challenges as long as it's within my area of expertise, if I were asked to clean the toilet I would say no. If all duties were explicit for all jobs then we would have no accidental DBA's .

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Posted Friday, December 9, 2011 1:57 AM
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Well.. I would probably had said no a year ago.

This year however, my boss told me he was thinking about having me take over some share point tasks as well since the consultant doing it is leaving. That I am not so keen on doing. It's a product that might be replaced in 3-10 years and it's not a smooth product to work with at all..
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andagr (12/9/2011)
I would not like to have my duties spelled out exactly because I like different challenges as long as it's within my area of expertise, if I were asked to clean the toilet I would say no. If all duties were explicit for all jobs then we would have no accidental DBA's .

We might have a slightly different perspective on this since I once was a janitor. You want to pay me my contract rates to grab a mop and take out the trash? Ummmmm.... sold.

I call myself a million dollar janitor on occassion when I get inquiries as to do I mind doing mundane work instead of the 'interesting stuff'. I'm down with the within my area of expertise, I'm certainly not feeling qualified to go do some OOP integration to EF and getting rated on it.

You want me to haul around Accounting's computers and get all the wiring re-hooked up in their new office while you pay me my current rate? 'eh, sure. Mind if I use a mail cart?



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Posted Friday, December 9, 2011 3:43 AM
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Hi,
I have to sign a 6 month work programme which lists out what I am going to achieve in this time. I invariably miss the deadlines for these and have been regarded as over promising and under delivering. I do feel like it is pretty harsh considering with all the other work outside the scope of my work programme comes across my desk.

The fact that each 6 month period I get 9-10 months worth of work come across my desk forcing me to prioritize and ultimately let someone down in the office. So collectively amongst the staff, I have over promised and under delivered which gives the appearance that I am not good at my job.

So, what goes into my 6 month work programme doesn't take any other work under consideration and as mentioned above, sometimes the best work achieved is being reactive to those really good ideas that help people in their job and the business even though it is not in the work programme.

I am not sure how to handle this issue (and if anyone has any ideas I would like to hear about them) but I do believe sticking to the work programme only and ignoring any other tasks is a failure. I know I am managed badly but my thoughts are that the most important/essential work should be prioritized whether it is in your contracted work programme or not. After all, we do what we do for the greater good of the company, not just to tick a box.
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Posted Friday, December 9, 2011 5:09 AM
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Certainly in my last two posts I have had job specifications consisting of short clauses covering my responsibilities such as "Assist in maintaining and safeguarding the backup and recovery routines, testing and enhancing as appropriate"
in both cases the final clause is "Other duties commensurate with the grade and post as detailed by the Line Manager".
In my previous employment this was always item 10 in our job specs and whenever we had to do anything unusual we just said "Clause 10 again" - usually with a grin.
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Posted Friday, December 9, 2011 6:36 AM
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No way would I want to sign a contract for this.
First, this particular issue has never been a problem anywhere I've worked.
Second, I work for a large company and we're already strangled by red tape and bureaucratic policies. We don't need yet another thing to take attention away from actually getting real work done.
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Posted Friday, December 9, 2011 6:40 AM
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I don't want a contract specifically stating what I am to do or not do. My job description says that, but it only covers about 10% of what I do. My title is Oracle DBA and if I was limited to what is in my job description I wouldn't be able to switch to SQL Server as the company does. I do have annual performance reviews, however what my stated goals are rarely what I actually get assigned to do. Some tasks I would rather not have to do, but others have let me expand my knowledge base in completely different areas. You need to take the good with the bad.

Having management that understands how valuable your contributions are gives you the flexibility to work on the things that best help the company and your co-workers. If management doesn't understand what you bring to the table and doesn't care or you are a poor performer I can see where a contract can give you a minimum set of tasks to keep your job. Personally I would much rather be given the freedom to learn and explore than be locked down.
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