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Posted Sunday, May 01, 2011 7:40 AM

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HA, I like NULLs. I might ask for two articles, one pro and one con.

I like NULLs, as well. I was just thinking of the insanely long threads where people keep saying that NULLs aren't a part of a true relational database and Codd this and Date that and yada-yada-yada. I keep thinking "who gives a rat's patooti?" and that I hope I never run into a true relational database because it will even make Oracle look good.

I like NULLs too. Of course I believe that a true relational system has to support them (after all, it has to support outer union and outer join, and they will certainly produce nulls). So I don't think a true relational system has to do badly.

But I do love reminding the anti-null fundamentalists that Ted Codd, the inventor of their holy relational model, stated clearly and plainly and very publicly that a system without decent NULL support could not be a relational system.

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That's why I'm glad you decided to take this on, Tom. No BS and personal opinions would be identified as such instead of being identified as gospel. I think you'd bring the practical side to the article that Steve is looking for someone to write and that I'd like to read. I almost can't wait.

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Posted Sunday, May 01, 2011 1:48 PM



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I don't care who does it, but if Tom gets one in while anyone else's is in the Q, I'll go with Tom.

Tom, no great hurry and I'll let you know if I get something else. Doesn't have to be long. I'd figure 1-1.5 page of text with a few examples that show tables being moved from non-1NF->1NF would be fine.

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