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saurabh.deshpande
Posted Thursday, October 07, 2010 6:47 AM
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Hi All

As I am very new to Data Mining.

I like to know

1. What is Data Mining.
2. How it is different from Business Intelligence.
3. What are way's to implement it.
4. How is market (Job) for the same.

Thanks
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Posted Thursday, October 07, 2010 7:04 AM


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1. What is Data Mining?


Data mining can be related with self explanatory terms such as knowledge discovery, machine learning or predictive analysis. The term mining means to determine and discover patterns which are used to reason a fact. There are many data mining algorithms available which can be used to train the data.


2. How it is different from Business Intelligence?


Data mining is a bundled package which comes with Business Intelligence. It is not different from BI. Most important, BI is not a product it is a technology.


3. What are way's to implement it?


Please refer Question 1


4. How is market (Job) for the same?


The area is fairly untouched and now a days it is gaining momemtum. It is fairly interesting.

It is nice to hear that after several attempts the forum is gaining visibility.

I would recommend,if you are interested, Data Mining for SQL Server 2008 by Jamie MacLennan


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Posted Thursday, October 07, 2010 7:51 AM
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Raunak

It's really good start here. And thanks for quick answering a these tiny question.
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Posted Thursday, October 07, 2010 7:54 AM


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Pleasure.

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Posted Thursday, October 07, 2010 2:01 PM


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Raunak Jhawar (10/7/2010)
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Data mining is a bundled package which comes with Business Intelligence. It is not different from BI. Most important, BI is not a product it is a technology.


I was under the assumption that BI is a "concept" (in the sense that describes the general specifications of what is supposed to deliver) while Data Mining is a "technology" (in the sense that actually delivers what was promised by BI) - Is that a fair statement?

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Posted Thursday, October 07, 2010 9:43 PM


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Raunak Jhawar (10/7/2010)
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Data mining is a bundled package which comes with Business Intelligence. It is not different from BI. Most important, BI is not a product it is a technology.


I was under the assumption that BI is a "concept" (in the sense that describes the general specifications of what is supposed to deliver) while Data Mining is a "technology" (in the sense that actually delivers what was promised by BI) - Is that a fair statement?


To err is human, to recurse is divine

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What I got is,

In BI, you already aware of patterns in Datasets.
In case of BI you have Question with you and you are looking for
Answer to that Question in the Datasets.

Ex : "Give me a breakdown of last month’s sales by salesman in the
poorest performing region" is question asked by Business, and
in response to this question you will generate some Report in BI
tool.

In Data Mining, you like to see hidden/unknown pattern in Datasets.
here you don't have Question with you.

Ex : Buying behavior of customers.


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saurabh.deshpande (10/8/2010)
In Data Mining, you like to see hidden/unknown pattern in Datasets.

Let me ilustrate with a purchasing pattern discovered in a major drug store chain.

1-Pattern: "from 9pm to 6am 90% of people buying baby diapers also buy beer"

2-Root cause of the pattern: "husbands are the ones buying baby diapers at night so they take advantage of the trip to the drug store to by beer for themselves"

3-Business action: "Put beer close to the baby diapers"

There is no question business could have asked to find that.

Here is how it works...

1- Data mining shows the pattern a.k.a. correlation in between sales of two products in a specific timeframe.

2- Business investigates to find the rationale behind the pattern.

3- Business takes action to take advantage of the pattern - provided pattern is potentialy positive.

Hope this helps.

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Raunak Jhawar (10/7/2010)
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Raunak Jhawar (10/7/2010)
[quote]
Data mining is a bundled package which comes with Business Intelligence. It is not different from BI. Most important, BI is not a product it is a technology.


I was under the assumption that BI is a "concept" (in the sense that describes the general specifications of what is supposed to deliver) while Data Mining is a "technology" (in the sense that actually delivers what was promised by BI) - Is that a fair statement?


To err is human, to recurse is divine


Thank you for clarifying Raunak - I'll take that as a "yes"

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Posted Friday, October 08, 2010 6:25 AM


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Best. Baby Diapers and Beer. Couldn't have asked a better example. You Rock.

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