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Posted Saturday, April 11, 2009 6:04 PM


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Posted Sunday, April 12, 2009 11:54 AM
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Thanks Steve for writing this, I have investigated the Clouds there is very limited software engineering in there however there is large hardware server software consolidation. There is also PHP CMS page generating engine similar to http handler on the Microsoft platform, it is being hyped as cloud software Microsoft knows there limited development in it. The problem is there is big money funding it so it is wait for more details because when people start loosing data in the cloud things will change. The Indiana Cloud camp was canceled because it was hosted by web hosting company looking to hire sales people nothing more. There are some easy to use media viewer engine running on PHP Drupal and some easy to use Drupal and Joomla CMS. I actually think it is developers that will be replaced not DBA because if a company runs more than 100gig Cloud will be an expensive place to store your data. So if you are a multi billion dollar company the cloud may save you money and it will help very new company but most in the middle will use Cloud only as needed. The article below says developers code that most of the time needs to the cleaned up will run in the Cloud as is and the DBA is storage keeper so will be replaced but I think that is just crazy reasoning. The second link is Microsoft platform Cloud company. How do you run a BI operation in the Cloud without automation and code for Reporting?

http://visualstudiomagazine.com/features/article.aspx?editorialsid=2576

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Posted Monday, April 13, 2009 9:47 AM
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If you take the example quoted by Amazon, a medium sized website db of 100GB and averaging 100 I/Os a second over the course of the month, it would cost $26 a month to host it in the cloud. There are SQL Server AMIs already available - I haven't had a chance to use them yet - been working mostly with Oracle AMIs so far.

I think it's a great concept. It's going back to the old timesharing days when you'd log on to an IBM mainframe and pay for what you used.
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Posted Monday, April 13, 2009 10:08 AM


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Thanks for the comments.

The thing to keep in mind is that this isn't for every company, or every app, but it has a place in the future. If you look around at all your servers, don't pick the ones that you think aren't good candidates. Try to pick a few that might be, and think about the possibilities, advantages, disadvantages, etc.







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Posted Monday, April 13, 2009 10:17 AM
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If you take the example quoted by Amazon, a medium sized website db of 100GB and averaging 100 I/Os a second over the course of the month, it would cost $26 a month to host it in the cloud. There are SQL Server AMIs already available - I haven't had a chance to use them yet - been working mostly with Oracle AMIs so far.

I think it's a great concept. It's going back to the old timesharing days when you'd log on to an IBM mainframe and pay for what you used.


I don't know about Oracle but most hosting companies currently charge about that for SQL Server now and much less for MySQL but you still need to Backup, maintain performance and other tasks so how will the developer take care of all that without a DBA? In most web application that data is the company asset lets hope the Cloud is providing more than storage because what exists now is more than storage.


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Right you still need a DBA but backup/restore and other managed services are probably going to appear pretty quickly from Amazon, Cap Gemini, IBM or other partners, just as they did when colos were all the rage.
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Yes those services let me tell you about how these could cost small businesses that decides to take the advice in the article I posted, during one of the migrations of the old Microsoft MSDN forums thousands of gig data was migrated but there was no change checking code so we the users could not find our threads. I was the person who showed yes the data was migrated but it did not make it to our profile and it took a long time to convince the developer something really bad happened. If this is a small company without a data expert nobody knows how long before such error could be verified and the cost. I want to see actual engineering or buyer be aware because it will take a DBA similar time to verify and the code may not even be deployed with DBA on staff.

And no I am still dissatisfied with the results of the correction of the above error.



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Data in the cloud? Are you *NUTS*???

Security is (almost) non-existant. Hosting companies are big fat cows just waiting for hackers to milk them. One lucky break and a dozen company's data could be stolen. And then the lawsuits begin to fly...

The cloud is way too immature yet. The infrastructure is too fragile, too complex, and just plain not ready.

Talk about the nightmare scenario...Brrr!
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Posted Monday, April 13, 2009 1:22 PM
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Security is (almost) non-existant. Hosting companies are big fat cows just waiting for hackers to milk them. One lucky break and a dozen company's data could be stolen. And then the lawsuits begin to fly...


Another industry to make the lawyers and insurance companies money and leave us less than we started.





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Posted Monday, April 13, 2009 1:30 PM


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Data in the cloud? Are you *NUTS*???


Salesforce.com (and similar entities)
Lots of online payroll companies.

It can, and is working. For every system no, but it does make sense in places.







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