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Posted Monday, May 19, 2008 8:56 PM


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I'm sure a few minutes of my time could come up with several suggestions for how to make SQL Server more user-friendly (at least for me), but I'll never spend those minutes, because I don't care about those deficiencies. SQL Server works. It does what I expect of it, reliably and consistently, and that's all that really matters to me. And for that reason, I believe SQL Server to be the single highest quality product to which Microsoft have ever put their name.

I'm not going to worry about detail when the fundamentals are (IMHO) right.


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Posted Tuesday, May 20, 2008 2:42 AM
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"There are definitely times that I think the people that build the system stored procedures and other code we can see don't really work with SQL Server. It seems that best practices aren't followed and things aren't even well coded."

Agree with this comment but please realize that many of the system stored procedures are identical to those from in the 1993 Sybase version and probably are from earlier versions. A lot has changed in the area of RDBMSs in the last 15 years.



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Posted Tuesday, May 20, 2008 4:12 AM
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I agree with Steve, especially when he talks about the MS Team and said they are like us. They too are humans and they are into teams that work with a passion to build a world class product. In my personal use of MS products, I have found that whatever you need to do, they have already thought about it and included it somehow or given us a means to do it. When I code, I always have the user of my product in mind and IMHO MS teams do too. MS, Keep up the good work.:)
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Posted Tuesday, May 20, 2008 6:12 AM
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I'll rate this as one of your better posts. Sharing an epiphany is worth doing. How about going back and looking at other "features" to see if you see hidden value in some of them?

Most businesses at the mercy of sales/marketing. Not all bad, but could use a little improvement too. It takes a lot of work to get a seat at that table in order to make a difference, and the process of getting there doesn't have much to do with coding ability - so not many of us try.


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I am feeling very charitable toward SQL Server right now. It's a great product!

Yesterday, I had to assist another developer in writing queries for MS Access, interpreting its useless error messages, figuring out that "statement must be updateable query" meant that it didn't allow any subqueries in an update statement, and, to top it all off, practicing the black magic of placing enough parentheses in the FROM clause so it wouldn't scream syntax error.

When you think about how bad it could be... SQL Server is a great product!
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Posted Tuesday, May 20, 2008 9:27 AM


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The hard part about seeing value in features is having a place where they can be used. This is where I think the developers and designers of SQL Server need to come up with, and publish, lots of use cases and examples of where things can be used.

Not that you have to have 14 cases to build the feature, but the more ideas you can publish, or that others can share, the more people will see value (or see them as not needed if you publish failures).







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Stephanie Giovannini (5/20/2008)
I am feeling very charitable toward SQL Server right now. It's a great product!

Yesterday, I had to assist another developer in writing queries for MS Access, interpreting its useless error messages, figuring out that "statement must be updateable query" meant that it didn't allow any subqueries in an update statement, and, to top it all off, practicing the black magic of placing enough parentheses in the FROM clause so it wouldn't scream syntax error.

When you think about how bad it could be... SQL Server is a great product!


If you're down on MS Access, you should try a REAL "winner".... Say - Lotus Approach:) You'll be begging for the computing power, and ease of use of MSAccess in, oh - 2 hours (including the installation time)....

But I agree - I think SQL Server is very well put together all in all. Sure, there are some rather "interesting" choices that make us all jump through hoops, but that's what we have to do to earn our keep on a daily basis...



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Posted Tuesday, May 20, 2008 10:21 AM
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Hey Steve, I didn't know you knew Jesus.

Praise be to our Lord and Savior!

God bless you brother! ;)
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Posted Tuesday, May 20, 2008 12:03 PM


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I concur that overall SQL Server is an excellent tool and one that is a large part of how I make my living, and I am glad to know passionate people are working hard to improve it.

It would still be nice to see more of the normal best practices followed within SQL Server itself though.


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