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Posted Monday, November 26, 2007 7:55 PM
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No one is indispensable especially in big company. It does not matter if you are the only one who know the system or you have the best skill set. The ones who never get layoff are the ones who know how to play company politics.
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As mentioned earlier, being "indispensable" (e.g. because you are the only one who knows the system) is not a great strategy in the way that it also makes it nigh impossible for you to get promoted or moved across to a new shiny project!

For the rest, politics are important, make sure you are visible, and always make sure your colleagues/management understand your contribution to the bottom line (and/or the overall performance of the team/department).

Saying that, always be ready for the “worst” and ensure you have a network of useful contacts to use when you do need to look for a new position – and never ever burn bridges when you do go ... it’s a small world out there and you will meet people from previous lives!
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Posted Tuesday, October 30, 2012 7:43 AM


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No one is indispensable especially in big company. It does not matter if you are the only one who know the system or you have the best skill set. The ones who never get layoff are the ones who know how to play company politics.


Now there is someone who has dealt wiith the "real world". What you know has very little to do with why you get laid off. That has always been the case. I have seen "people" (weasels) that don't know how to pour urine out of a boot with the directions written on the heel, but they happen to be good friends and play golf with upper managment and they are still there years later. “Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines”


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I saw plenty of this at my old job. No one was safe, unless you happened to be on the CIO's "good side". I saw some very talented people laid off, some that had been there for 30 years, some that had worked tons of overtime, some that had knowledge of systems that no one else understood. Knowledge of the business was not a valued thing, nor was company loyalty. All this contributed to people (including myself) leaving on our own terms for a better work environment elsewhere.

Now I work at a company where business knowledge, technical skills and people skills are all equally valued. One of the best decisions I ever made was changing jobs (and changing locales in the process).


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Posted Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:40 AM
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TravisDBA (10/30/2012)
[quote]What you know has very little to do with why you get laid off. That has always been the case. I have seen "people" (weasels) that don't know how to pour urine out of a boot with the directions written on the heel, but they happen to be good friends and play golf with upper management and they are still there years later. “Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines”


Travis,

I started in the business in 1972. I have never been fired. I have left a job or two and gone elsewhere but only by my own choice. I have faced numerous layoffs and have wondered but my number has not come up, and from what I understand it has never been close. I am not a weasel nor do I think the attributes of a weasel are appropriate in the office at any level or any position. If I were to guess why this has happened I would say it is because I try to solve the problems people have or point them towards a solution if I do not have a clue. I honestly say I do not know when I do not, and if I state an opinion I make certain that they know that it is an opinion. As long as I help others solver their problems as well as be productive in what I am suppose to do things have worked out well.

I can say the "That more often then not has been the case". But I cannot say that it is always the case.

I can thus say that I agree for the most part but not completely.

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The ultimate irony of being an experienced production DBA is that you almost invariably work your way out of a position unless the company continues growth at a staggering pace.
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Miles Neale (10/30/2012)
Travis,

I started in the business in 1972. I have never been fired. I have left a job or two and gone elsewhere but only by my own choice. I have faced numerous layoffs and have wondered but my number has not come up, and from what I understand it has never been close. I am not a weasel nor do I think the attributes of a weasel are appropriate in the office at any level or any position. If I were to guess why this has happened I would say it is because I try to solve the problems people have or point them towards a solution if I do not have a clue. I honestly say I do not know when I do not, and if I state an opinion I make certain that they know that it is an opinion. As long as I help others solver their problems as well as be productive in what I am suppose to do things have worked out well.

I can say the "That more often then not has been the case". But I cannot say that it is always the case.

I can thus say that I agree for the most part but not completely.

M.




Miles,

I absolutely agree that what you say is the way things "should" be. I'm also glad you are one of the lucky ones that have NOT been laid off in all that time. My point is, that it does happen out there, and it is not always based on your aptitude, dedication, or even your attitude for that matter. Many times it just comes down to the good ole' boy network you are not a part of, or office politics 101, or simply just who is playing golf with who on Sunday. I don't like it anymore than you do, and yes, it is unfair, but unfair has got nothing to do with reality in this business. It's a dog-eat-dog world out there in this industry, and I can honestly say that after just celebrating 28 years in the IT industry, that good people get laid off everyday and it has very little to do with their technical skill set, their dedication, or their business knowledge.. That's just the Real World.


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TravisDBA (10/30/2012)

It's a dog-eat-dog world out there in this industry


And as I say, I agree. I can speak of a time at an aerospace company just north of here that use to lay off people by project. Entire teams would be told when they arrived for work in the morning that their project had been cut and the entire team was to report to the relocation center. There they would be offered another job and it might be in IT and it might not, but it was a job.

And at another place a little farther north if you did not work out you were met at the door in the morning by a security guard with all the things from your desk, your key card was taken along with any other company property, you were given your last paycheck and you were done. You had no idea as to why or who else was released all you knew was that you were gone.

It is a hard world out there, and in IT it can be very hard. I have worked with many who have had to take some serious lumps and move on. And there have been storied of cronyism and favoritism all along the way. The world is not fair. It is what it is. Sometime the best are let loose and the worst are kept. What has worked for those I have seen when this has happened is to take inventory of where they are and what they have and make the best decision for themselves in the now. It is better to forget what is behind and to press on into the dreams and adventures that are ahead.

All that to say I agree with you. It is "dog eat dog" out there".


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Posted Tuesday, October 30, 2012 10:34 AM


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Agreed. Well said.

"Technology is a weird thing. It brings you great gifts with one hand, and it stabs you in the back with the other. ..."
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Being competent and getting along well with others are the best bets for job security, and for getting a new job fast if the old one goes away.

However, I have also seen job security achieved through backstab-lie-betray-everyone-around-you combined with playing golf with the owners of the company. I've also seen job security through the ego of the manager who hired the person too tied up in "they can't be as incompetent as they are, because that would make me wrong for having hired them".

Personally, I stick with competent and friendly. It's worked well for me so far. One job (my first DBA job, actually), my job was so secure that, when my employer went bankrup and out of business, the biggest competitor hired me a week later and paid for my move to their city. So, actually, the job continued even though the employer shut down and laid everyone off.

Too bad the link the editorial is out of date. Would be interesting to see what it originally went to.


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