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Posted Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:39 AM


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I can understand both sides of it really... the thing is a furnace, washer, car doesn't run completely on software that needs to be patched every single month. If Microsoft kept supporting every single operating system forever they would have a nightmare on their hands and it would be quite expensive for them to write a patch for each different operating system. So, it is a little different than a mechanical product sitting in your kitchen.

Every appliance, car, or other consumer item is possibly subject having a recall, and or the lower level of a permanent warranty item.

And if the SW was actually built correctly, why does it need monthly patches?

The same reason we have new models of any appliance. The difference is that appliances can't get patches applied.


Correct... but... they can get recalled for safety problems that were not built into the product when it was designed and manufactured.



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Posted Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:43 AM
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I can understand both sides of it really... the thing is a furnace, washer, car doesn't run completely on software that needs to be patched every single month. If Microsoft kept supporting every single operating system forever they would have a nightmare on their hands and it would be quite expensive for them to write a patch for each different operating system. So, it is a little different than a mechanical product sitting in your kitchen.

The thing is with an appliance when it gets to 9+ years half the time when a part goes bad it is cheaper to buy a new product than the part.... our Fridge compressor died at 8 years old... new fridge was cheaper than compressor... and it was 40% more energy efficient... dishwasher the same thing.... the heat exchanger on our furnace died and we got a new furnace that was 17% more efficient because it was cheaper than replacing the heat exchanger in the old one.




Yes, it's different than a mechanical product in your kitchen, but that's because you're looking at it from the point of a software guy, someone who's become accustomed to constant replacement, no permanence whatsoever.

Many people are not at all into that mindset. They buy something, they keep it till it stops working, not simply until the manufacturer declares it 'obsolete'.

There is a problem with the throwaway mentality, tossing out 5 year old appliances, 2 year old cell phones. I drive a 25 year old car, I maintain it well, I have no plans to replace it any time soon. The furnace in my house was old when I bought it 24 years ago. I bleed it yearly, have replaced a valve, but it's still running. Interestingly, it's convection flow and thermo couple design means that it is fully functional without electric power... really helpful during Sandy. (You can't get systems like that any more, our overlords at the EPA have declared them not efficient enough).



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Posted Tuesday, February 18, 2014 2:50 PM


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Luis Cazares (2/17/2014)
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Posted Tuesday, February 18, 2014 4:26 PM


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Or I can marry and move out

Or marry, move out and transfer all support calls to the spouse

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Are you seriously taking the advice and code from someone from the internet without testing it? Do you at least understand it? Or can it easily kill your server?

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Posted Thursday, February 20, 2014 12:30 PM
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I really must replace my 8 year old PC running XP. It's good enough for web browsing, running MS Word, tinkering with SQL 2008R2 and a few others. Maybe burn a CD or two for the car and.....errmmmm....thats it really. It does everything I need it to do.

I know I need to upgrade in order to run SQL2014 and the power will come in handy to run some Linux VMs but perhaps I will just do my day job during my day job.


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