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Automation will not replace people.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Will_automation_increase_unemployment

"No. Automation does not increase unemployment. Automation actually increases the quantity and quality of employment."

'Frederick Winslow Taylor answered this question in 1911 in his book The Principles of Scientific Management.'
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I work in IT at an USAF airbase and we are NOT allowed to connect anything to the USB ports except specific pieces of government HD's and floppies. Yes floppy drives. I heard in a new report on NPR that the NSA had no such restriction. But now they are considering it.


Is that enforced with a group policy, or just instructions to users? If it's not enforced with group policy, there's still a gaping hole and only the appearance of control. My organization has a group policy on all machines, with a few controlled exceptions, that disallow installation of any USB mass storage device, and disable the internal DVD drive.

I think that's part of the future of system administration - how do you minimize the risks and still allow the access that's needed for someone to do their job.
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Minor historical nit: It wasn't the Navy's decision to move the Pacific fleet to Pearl Harbor; it was Roosevelt's. In fact, the CIC at the time Adm. Richardson protested the move vigorously.
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Automation will not replace people.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Will_automation_increase_unemployment

"No. Automation does not increase unemployment. Automation actually increases the quantity and quality of employment."

'Frederick Winslow Taylor answered this question in 1911 in his book The Principles of Scientific Management.'


I don't know about this. Although I can offer only my perspective, from what I have seen in my 30 years in I.T., there may be a net decrease in jobs from automation. If not, why would a company ever automate? One reason they do is to save money on salaries and beneifts. I have been involved in automation projects that caused thousands of people their jobs.

I would like to see statistics that show an increase in jobs from automation. A quote from a 1911 source does not give me any confidence.
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In my experience automation causes one of three things:
a) enabler for outsourcing
b) release of staff to higher value tasks
c) increased workload managed by unchanged level of existing workforce.


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I don't know about this. Although I can offer only my perspective, from what I have seen in my 30 years in I.T., there may be a net decrease in jobs from automation. If not, why would a company ever automate? One reason they do is to save money on salaries and beneifts. I have been involved in automation projects that caused thousands of people their jobs.

I would like to see statistics that show an increase in jobs from automation. A quote from a 1911 source does not give me any confidence.


That statistics and numbers are for people working in IT, not companies overall. Automation doesn't reduce IT workers, but it does reduce other, non-IT, workers in some (perhaps many or most) cases.







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I don't know about this. Although I can offer only my perspective, from what I have seen in my 30 years in I.T., there may be a net decrease in jobs from automation. If not, why would a company ever automate? One reason they do is to save money on salaries and beneifts. I have been involved in automation projects that caused thousands of people their jobs.

I would like to see statistics that show an increase in jobs from automation. A quote from a 1911 source does not give me any confidence.


That statistics and numbers are for people working in IT, not companies overall. Automation doesn't reduce IT workers, but it does reduce other, non-IT, workers in some (perhaps many or most) cases.

Let's assume a specific organization has several captitalizable IT projects in the pipeline, but their IT staff can't devote the required number of hours per week to start the projects because they are preoccupied with non-capitalizable administrative tasks. In this case, more automation will simply result in the same staff shifting from non-cap to more productive capitalizable work.
On the other hand, if the organization is struggling financially and believes that reducing operational overhead has a higher priority than revenue expansion (ex: desktop PC manufactorers), then automation will result in layoffs.
However, looking at how automation impacts the IT industry as a whole, and I think the net employment would remain the same.
I do expect that in the future there will be fewer administrators but more business intelligence professionals. You've got to be proactive and ride the automation wave like a surfer, and not passively let the automation wave crash over you.
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Your assumptions ignore the fact that often IT groups find new opportunities, and can do so when more time is available. As IT operations improve, companies often invest more in that area. That's what we've seen across the last 40 years, and while it might not continue, it has to date.

Any particular IT group/department/company could see layoffs. Overall as an industry, that's not what we've seen.







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Your assumptions ignore the fact that often IT groups find new opportunities, and can do so when more time is available. As IT operations improve, companies often invest more in that area. That's what we've seen across the last 40 years, and while it might not continue, it has to date.

Any particular IT group/department/company could see layoffs. Overall as an industry, that's not what we've seen.

That's what I meant; automation may mean the end for some departments or job descriptions, but the net effect for the industry as whole is no loss of jobs. No doubt there are a lot of people stuck in boring repetitive jobs who shrug when they learn their postion is being eliminated. They move on to some new and more rewarding role in IT, an opportunity that would not have become available had it not been for automation.
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Your assumptions ignore the fact that often IT groups find new opportunities, and can do so when more time is available. As IT operations improve, companies often invest more in that area. That's what we've seen across the last 40 years, and while it might not continue, it has to date.

Any particular IT group/department/company could see layoffs. Overall as an industry, that's not what we've seen.


Steve, This is a excellent word. Years back we automated much of the Library work for a Library Consortium in the PNW. The idea was to automate what we could as to free up the librarians time to do the real work of a librarian. The motto use to be "Making computers do the paperwork, so Librarians can teach people to read." We always had more work as did those libraries who used our products.

The automation of a task introduces further automation opportunities. Our work will never end.

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