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Posted Sunday, February 24, 2013 10:47 PM


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Cross pollination of ideas is essential. There is a lot to learn from the ORACLE camp.

Oracle DBAs tend to be at the upper end of the DBA scale in much the same way as C/C++ programmers tend to be at the higher end of the programming ability scale.

Unfortunately with SQL Server 2012 what Microsoft has learnt is how to charge like ORACLE.
I can understand why licencing has gone to per core but Microsoft are being much more strict on their interpretation of multi-plexing and therefore what comes under CAL vs Per Core licencing.

Basically, if you are running a web based system virtually everything in your stack now has to be "per core".


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Posted Monday, February 25, 2013 7:10 AM


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I have joked many a times with people in "competing" technologies (once, whilst a C++ developer, I was hauled up for "bullying" a VB programmer - it was the VB programmer who was even more confused that I as he certainly gave as good as he got and had a great sense of humour - managers realised it was a non-issue as soon as this guy was asked about it).

I find it helpful if everyone takes it for what it is as it:
a) allows for the progression into a serious discussion of differences/flaws/advantages
b) keeps in the open discussions about concerns of the poorly understood "other" technology
c) enables knowledge transfer on a continual, informal basis
d) bonds team members using alternative/different technologies (better than paintballing)
e) allows people to let off steam on a day to day basis

Most of us want to get the job done and we often know how to do it in our "own" technology. Sometimes we live in a wider technological world and have to work with people using "other" technologies with which we need to be interoperable with or a switchable alternative to. Whatever the reasons, most people I have met do not look at other technologies in either disdain or awe. They are just different. More so than the people, usually.

Except for VB programmers, of course


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Posted Monday, February 25, 2013 7:49 AM


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David.Poole (2/25/2013)
Oracle DBAs tend to be at the upper end of the DBA scale in much the same way as C/C++ programmers tend to be at the higher end of the programming ability scale.



Statements like this are not only untrue, they also tend to widen the gulf between the Microsoft and Oracle communities instead of bringing them together. One of the smartest DBA's I ever met in my life (and I have met them all over the country) was NOT an Oracle DBA. They may get paid better, but that in no way makes them or qualifies them as upper-scale DBA's in ability. It is just presumptuous for anyone to think so.


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Oracle DBAs tend to be at the upper end of the DBA scale in much the same way as C/C++ programmers tend to be at the higher end of the programming ability scale.



Statements like this are not only untrue, they also tend to widen the gulf between the Microsoft and Oracle communities instead of bringing them together. One of the smartest DBA's I ever met in my life (and I have met them all over the country) was NOT an Oracle DBA. They may get paid better, but that in no way makes them or qualifies them as upper-scale DBA's in ability. It is just presumptuous for anyone to think so.


As scary as it sounds, I am going to have to agree with Travis.

some of the worst DBAs I have met have been Oracle DBAs (some of the best too, to be fair).

Generalisations can be dangerous. And often incorrect.


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Posted Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:47 AM
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The "Dark Side" isn't Oracle. The "Dark Side" to many MS DBAs and developers I've talked to is OSS or any non-Redmond approved product. Which is a shame, since many folks at Microsoft don't see a big conflict. Neither do I. Data is Data. Pros are Pros. Useful tools and products work no matter who wrote them.
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