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Self referring join condition (tblx.col1 = tblx.col1) alters perf. - WHY?

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Jason Selburg

Posted Monday, September 10, 2012 1:57 PM

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Can someone explain WHY adding the self referring join condition on acct.BillingType decreases the Estimated number of rows by a factor of 10?

Notes:

-- #HindsightFacilityList table has one row with four integers in it and no indexes.

-- factARSnapshot (30 million rows/4 GB Data size) DDL Attached

-- dimAccount (5 million rows/1.5 GB) DDL Attached

Both queries are correctly using the ix_dimAccount index?!

---- Qry3_With_Self_Join
SELECT 
	atb.AccountID
	,atb.FacilityID
	,atb.DischargeAgingID	
	,atb.FinancialClassID
	,atb.InsuranceProviderID
	,LEFT(acct.BillingType,1)
	,atb.AccountBalance
FROM #HindsightFacilityList FacList				
	INNER JOIN Analysis.factARSnapshot AS atb
		ON facList.AccountFacilityID = atb.FacilityID 
		AND atb.PeriodID=@pm_PeriodID 
	INNER JOIN Analysis.dimAccount AS acct
		ON acct.AccountID = atb.AccountID
		AND acct.BillingType = acct.BillingType		

---- Qry4_WithOUT_Self_Join		
SELECT 
	atb.AccountID
	,atb.FacilityID
	,atb.DischargeAgingID	
	,atb.FinancialClassID
	,atb.InsuranceProviderID
	,LEFT(acct.BillingType,1)
	,atb.AccountBalance
FROM #HindsightFacilityList FacList				
	INNER JOIN Analysis.factARSnapshot AS atb
		ON facList.AccountFacilityID = atb.FacilityID 
		AND atb.PeriodID=@pm_PeriodID 
	INNER JOIN Analysis.dimAccount AS acct
		ON acct.AccountID = atb.AccountID
		---AND acct.BillingType = acct.BillingType

** Execution plan attached

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Matt Miller (#4)

Posted Tuesday, September 11, 2012 1:13 PM

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Just a shot in the dark, but - how many have a NULL billingType?

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Matt Miller (#4) (9/11/2012)

Just a shot in the dark, but - how many have a NULL billingType?

Zero, it's a NOT NULL column and the results are identical. [EDIT] And by results I mean the results of the two queries[/EDIT]

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Jason Selburg

Posted Tuesday, September 18, 2012 10:22 AM

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BUMP

Does anyone have an idea on this?

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Jason Selburg

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I'm gonna try one more time to bump this and see if someone can find the answer. Hehe

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Jason Selburg (9/10/2012)

Can someone explain WHY adding the self referring join condition on acct.BillingType decreases the Estimated number of rows by a factor of 10?

Offhand... no. The predicate exists on the object in one and not the other, and that's obviously affecting things, but it makes no particular difference. It IS a NULL killer as mentioned above, but that's irrelevant to the results obviously.

Return is 75656 in either case. There's a VERY small handful of people I can think of offhand that might actually know where the extra row counts are coming from and what the optimizer is doing under the hood. At a guess, it's using a different statistic set for estimation due to the connection (in any method) to that field as a restrictor and is getting a better value for the estimate, which might indicate it's time for an UPDATE STATISTICS WITH FULLSCAN on that table.

Otherwise, if it's really that much of a concern since it's neither affecting the query plan nor did you mention significant runtime differences, I'd recommend you PM Paul White, Grant Fritchey, and Gail Shaw and ask them if they'd look in on this thread and can ask you the right questions to figure out the puzzle completely. There might be one or two others who know the under the hood mechanics well enough kicking around but those three come to mind immediately to me for optimization plan gurus.

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Posted Tuesday, September 25, 2012 6:10 PM

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Ah, I hadn't thought about stats. I'll PM those guys cause this one has made me determined to solve it.

Yes, there was a perf difference, I can't recall now. It wasn't huge, but big enough for me to notice.

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