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Steve Jones - SSC Editor
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Posted Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:26 PM
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Posted Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:44 AM
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Now your getting somewhere!
Earlier, I was under the distinct impression that you liked the cloud services. But because an idea might be good it does not mean the concept created based on that idea is good.
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Posted Thursday, April 12, 2012 6:06 AM
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Well, there sure is historical record to look at, if it can be found. IBM ran its Service Bureau (which amounted to a private cloud) for decades. How did its clients get on when trying to get out? Yes, cloud is insidious. Yet another lemming road to ruin. It will be interesting to see whether experience and intelligence will win out. CIO/CTO types do tend to be sheep.
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Posted Thursday, April 12, 2012 6:16 AM
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In reality aren't you concerned about ALL of the things you mentioned (Performance, Reliability, Security, Legal, Data independence). Why are people and companies so eager to give away their data?
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Another point to consider - what if the company hosting your data goes bankrupt? The receivers will likely turn off the servers abruptly, without giving you any time to extract your data. While you might eventually be able to get your data back, it could take months or even years.
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Posted Thursday, April 12, 2012 6:56 AM
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Oddly, this is also one of the argument used against SQL databases: what if XYZ Database Corp. goes under? Let's just continue writing COBOL/java/VB with our own fantastic I/O modules. But, they'll happily give over the data to an outside force, which is what really matters, after all (the code??, not so much).
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I don't like the idea of it at all for the specific reasons you state. You give up complete control going to the cloud. I just don't see the great benefit to this. How can you be 100% satisfied that they are backing up your data and it can be recovered any day of the week?
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IceDread (4/12/2012)
Now your getting somewhere!
Earlier, I was under the distinct impression that you liked the cloud services. But because an idea might be good it does not mean the concept created based on that idea is good.
I like the idea for a few reasons, but so far the implementation has been "meh" to me.
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richardd (4/12/2012)
Another point to consider - what if the company hosting your data goes bankrupt? The receivers will likely turn off the servers abruptly, without giving you any time to extract your data. While you might eventually be able to get your data back, it could take months or even years.
Write an escrow of the data into your contract. Require a regular copy that is available under any legal filing. We've done this in the past with source code from smaller vendors.
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I have a slightly different viewpoint on the subject. I work for a company providing cloud hosting services to our customers.
We set up our customer environments such that they get visibility into the entire VM with full Win and SQL admin rights, no different than if they were running on a physical server. They're free to import/export data, copy off their backup files, replicate/logship/mirror to a DR target, or any other activity that keeps their data safe according to their unique business requirements. And, if the customer leaves they're free to take their data with them.
As with any cloud, sure there are tradeoffs with having your data living in a shared environment. It's a deal-breaker for some companies, a non-issue for others. Being a DBA myself, I certainly understand the aversion around placing your data "out there somewhere", but we do run our own internal databases on our own cloud environment without any problems.
One benefit with cloud that is not always obvious to customers is that we can host hundreds of virtual servers in the same cabinet space as a few dozen physical, and that's a cost savings we can pass on. That makes cloud very attractive.
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