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I do believe that the could is the way to go in the future, but you would own your own cloud and have the data yourself.
However, the clouds available today is nothing but virtualized server parks with a lot of restrictions as well as unclear price / performance model.
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Posted Thursday, September 15, 2011 5:17 AM
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So what's the quickest/easiest way to learn about (SQL) Azure?

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that's an excellent reporting mechanism, Steve...


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I do believe that the could is the way to go in the future, but you would own your own cloud and have the data yourself.
However, the clouds available today is nothing but virtualized server parks with a lot of restrictions as well as unclear price / performance model.


AMEN! Add in unsecure, significant risk of data loss (when the company folds) and modify price to extremely high!

We are getting a lot of our systems quoted as "cloud", which means different things to different people. The costs are outrageous.

Let's see, outsourcing is going to help companies and increase job satisfaction by allowing people to work on more challenging work. Result - the loss of millions of jobs in America, poor quality work by the outsource providers, companies are now starting to recognize it is a mistake.

Let's see, cloud is going to help companies and increase job satisfaction by allowing people to work on more challenging work. Who wants to bet the results will be just as bad.


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Posted Thursday, September 15, 2011 9:11 AM
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Assumptions to verify for the cloud:
1. The security environment is suitable
2. SLA is ironclad and something you can live with
3. Response time performance to inquiries and issue reports is satisfactory
4. Transparency (3rd party audits, you ability to 'see into' the cloud) is acceptable

Given these four, then take easily isolated applications that are not terribly mission critical and send them skyward! If it's got truly sensitive information (e.g., corporate financials, PII, banking information, etc), then consider partitioning off a 'private cloud' either internally or with a boutique 3rd party vendor for whom the higher bar of assumptions 1-4 can be satisfied.

When all is said and done, the 'cloud' is just another tool in the toolkit. Use it when it's appropriate. You don't use a sledgehammer to remove a screw from a light switch so you can replace the switch. Nor do you use a pair of tweezers to pick up a 25 pound sack of groceries.
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Assumptions to verify for the cloud:
1. The security environment is suitable
2. SLA is ironclad and something you can live with
3. Response time performance to inquiries and issue reports is satisfactory
4. Transparency (3rd party audits, you ability to 'see into' the cloud) is acceptable

Given these four, then take easily isolated applications that are not terribly mission critical and send them skyward! If it's got truly sensitive information (e.g., corporate financials, PII, banking information, etc), then consider partitioning off a 'private cloud' either internally or with a boutique 3rd party vendor for whom the higher bar of assumptions 1-4 can be satisfied.

When all is said and done, the 'cloud' is just another tool in the toolkit. Use it when it's appropriate. You don't use a sledgehammer to remove a screw from a light switch so you can replace the switch. Nor do you use a pair of tweezers to pick up a 25 pound sack of groceries.


5. Backups and restores can be tested, including deliberately induced corruption recovery
6. The legal/seizure environment is suitable (if the FBI or whatever nation it's hosted in has their federal internal law enforcement officers enter the provider to seize a few racks of equipment, are the results acceptable to you)
7. You have a plan for pulling your apps and data off the "cloud" that's updated regularly (particularly as your data grows; you're not pulling 10TB of data off a 1Mbps connection in a reasonable timeframe).
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Posted Thursday, September 15, 2011 6:58 PM
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steve smith-401573 (9/15/2011)
If it's got truly sensitive information (e.g., corporate financials, PII, banking information, etc), then consider partitioning off a 'private cloud' either internally or with a boutique 3rd party vendor for whom the higher bar of assumptions 1-4 can be satisfied.


You made some good points, but my main issue with cloud marketing comes out in your response. "Cloud" is not defined. If this communication was in C++ the compiler would crash!

Cloud is being sold as a form of outsourcing. If it is a private cloud in my data center, how does that make it a cloud or change what I am doing? If it is VMWare or other virtulization, call it that, not cloud. If it is an external private cloud, then I argue it isn't private! If it is.... and do on!

Not that I disagree with what you said, because you do have good points - I just don't like the marketing hype where we sell an apple (not the company by the way!) or an orange and call it a cloud. I would not be surprised to see someone market toe nail clippings as good for you at some point, hell we already sell botulism to improve one's looks.

I don't know if I have more disrespect for sales, marketing, or the legal profession. I am quite disenchanted with what I think are very intelligent people who don't learn from history, and are repeating the same failed experiments of the past because someone painted a rosy picture.

Again, as you pointed out, there may be reasons to have something hosted by a third party. But even in those cases, I don't see the value. I can reduce my energy costs and server costs quite a bit using real technology instead of some (failed?) business model that just hasn't failed yet.

My opinion, I realize it isn't worth the bits this message will be stored as.


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6. The legal/seizure environment is suitable (if the FBI or whatever nation it's hosted in has their federal internal law enforcement officers enter the provider to seize a few racks of equipment, are the results acceptable to you)


One even my cynical view missed. I like it!


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