June 6, 2008 at 7:19 pm
Comments posted to this topic are about the item Open Source and SQL Server communities
June 7, 2008 at 11:05 am
SSC is a fine community and its members have helped me greatly, as I am sure it has helped others. My first thought is yes it should expand, and then I hesitate and think that too much expansion will dilute its main purpose, that is members of the community helping each other.
So I would propose a compromise of sorts. Instead of producing videos post in a separate area (page) a list of vids and their urls available from Microsoft, and lord knows their are enough of them, but typical of ms hard to find. Perhaps members of the community would view the videos and then write a synopsis and give each a "rating" as to how useful they would be to a "newbie", or a developer, or to an experienced DBA. Organized by topic (TSQL, Agent, BI) and perhaps a recommended sequence of viewing. It would be a great service in which the entire community could participate and yet not dilute the great work SSC is now doing.
In areas such as CodePlex follow the same procedure, and post new additions as they become available.
Just my 2 cents worth.
June 7, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Not a bad idea. We'll talk about it next week.
June 8, 2008 at 2:53 am
Hey Bitbucket, I mentioned core memory (you know, turn the computer [NCR 399, 1975) off after one keystroke and it is waiting for the next when you turn it back on) to a newbie the other day and they thought I was joking, grow old disgracefully, mate!
MS have an exceptional site for vid's, see here:
http://www.microsoft.com/events/webcasts/calendar/monthview.aspx
And I agree with your suggestion, "Instead of producing videos post in a separate area (page) a list of vids and their urls available from Microsoft, and lord knows their are enough of them, but typical of ms hard to find. links are best, though I don't agree with the "hard to find" comment. The site above is as easy as it gets.
I do love the Web, here am I, an old Canuck from Ottawa, a permanent resident of Sydney, Aus. for 25 years, checking out the latest options for my Harley 1200C, (and how about the Fat Bob and Rocker C), communicating ideas with a relic from somewhere out there about the latest technological DB vids available free, anywhere, anytime and listening to CHUM FM Toronto on a live feed.
SSC is good and getting better, keep it up SSC.
All the best,
Greg
June 8, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Being a relative "newbie" to SSC, I happened to stumble across it when researching this new product called SSIS some 6 weeks ago.
After initially playing around in the main SQL forum for a while, I suddenly discovered the Integration Services forum, and have been living there since. I have to say that the learnings I have taken out of this forum has certainly taught me more than any textbook would any day (not to say that textbooks are bad, but they just dont teach you the really good stuff that you need).
My overall observations of SSC is that it is by far the best SQL resource out there, and whenever I get stuck, this is the first place I go to.
I do agree, maybe a forum with links to videos would be a great idea, just split it like you have the rest of the site split. I wish I had enough time to learn about all the aspects of SQL server 2005 (AS, RS, IS, RDMBS, replication, security, enterprise administratio anne anne anne), but unfortunately I have to pay bills which means I have to make deadlines. As such my focus will be on SSIS for the foreseeable future, and it would be helluva nice if I could filter on SSIS vids.
Keep up the amazing work on this site, you guys rock!
~PD
June 9, 2008 at 6:33 am
This is really not meant to be flamebait at all. I think the ideas of trying to foster more open development and community are great. However, It seems like the article's author doesn't quite get it.
Since I've been in and around open source a long time, a closed source, vendor controlled, and often marketing driven product like SQL Server, Oracle, or DB2, will never have the same kind of community that the Postgres enthusiast it describing. I'm not bashing either side and not trying to start a flame, or even arguing for either one, but there's a different sense of camaraderie around software when you can poke at the source, change it (not that you would, but just knowing you could if you wanted to), do your own custom builds (like Yahoo is doing with postgres for their monster databsae), etc without a single huge corporation controlling the product.
Again, not arguing for or against either model, but understand that while fostering community around MSSQL, Oracle, etc is good, it's going to always be a different kind of community that what's around Postgres and similar software like Apache Web Server, etc. You just can't have the same community unless MS released the source code and spun SQL Server off independently like IBM did with the Eclipse product. And we all know how likely that is. 😉
June 9, 2008 at 7:26 am
I noticed some of the fine videos on Jump Start TV.
I thought this was about community code like PHP, Apache, Linux. But we are talking about Sybase, umm sorry, Microsoft SQL Server. :Whistling: It sort of makes one think a bit differently. Take this from a developer who doubles as DBA. We have VB, C#, C++, and the like. We build our community code on that. so the same thing could be done in Stored Procedures. They just have to be generic and/or automatically self adapting. It's a bit harder.
ATBCharles Kincaid
June 9, 2008 at 8:47 am
I'd like to correct an misunderstanding about how Codeplex works. The editorial stated:
Of course, Codeplex is run by Microsoft, and the MVP program is controlled by them. So is comparing the PostgreSQL projects with codeplex really comparing like with like?
Codeplex was created by Microsoft and is run by them, but they place no restrictions on the kind of projects that are hosted there. They basically provide an open-source development platform in the kind of way SourceForge does. Whilst most of the projects there are targeting the various Microsoft tools and platforms this is not a requirement. Many teams at Microsoft absolutely love the way Codeplex makes it easy to release software and get community involvement -- it's about two clicks to create a new download, compared to weeks of red tape to get something up on microsoft.com.
There's no reason vibrant communities of passionate people can't spring up on Codeplex. I think that's what Microsoft is hoping will happen, because passionate people really help them promote their platform.
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