Click here to monitor SSC
SQLServerCentral is supported by Redgate
 
Log in  ::  Register  ::  Not logged in
 
 
 


Help Others, Help Yourself


Help Others, Help Yourself

Author
Message
Tim Mitchell
Tim Mitchell
Ten Centuries
Ten Centuries (1.1K reputation)Ten Centuries (1.1K reputation)Ten Centuries (1.1K reputation)Ten Centuries (1.1K reputation)Ten Centuries (1.1K reputation)Ten Centuries (1.1K reputation)Ten Centuries (1.1K reputation)Ten Centuries (1.1K reputation)

Group: General Forum Members
Points: 1120 Visits: 2908
Comments posted to this topic are about the item Help Others, Help Yourself



Tim Mitchell, Microsoft Data Platform MVP
Data Warehouse and ETL Consultant
TimMitchell.net | @Tim_Mitchell | Tyleris.com
ETL Best Practices


Jeff Moden
Jeff Moden
SSC-Forever
SSC-Forever (44K reputation)SSC-Forever (44K reputation)SSC-Forever (44K reputation)SSC-Forever (44K reputation)SSC-Forever (44K reputation)SSC-Forever (44K reputation)SSC-Forever (44K reputation)SSC-Forever (44K reputation)

Group: General Forum Members
Points: 44831 Visits: 39848
But there is another, often unplanned, effect: when you spend time helping others, you also improve your own skills.


By golly, Tim... truer words never spoken. Excellent editorial by one of those "seasoned professionals". Should be required reading for everyone on SSC. Now, if we could just get people to understand the notion... :-D

--Jeff Moden

RBAR is pronounced ree-bar and is a Modenism for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
     Stop thinking about what you want to do to a row... think, instead, of what you want to do to a column.
Although they tell us that they want it real bad, our primary goal is to ensure that we dont actually give it to them that way.
Although change is inevitable, change for the better is usually not.
Just because you can do something in PowerShell, doesnt mean you should. Wink

Helpful Links:
How to post code problems
How to post performance problems
Forum FAQs
Michael Irwin
Michael Irwin
Grasshopper
Grasshopper (15 reputation)Grasshopper (15 reputation)Grasshopper (15 reputation)Grasshopper (15 reputation)Grasshopper (15 reputation)Grasshopper (15 reputation)Grasshopper (15 reputation)Grasshopper (15 reputation)

Group: General Forum Members
Points: 15 Visits: 85
I've been happily doing this for about 20 years now with various different tools. Your description is spot-on. Rather than being required reading for all members, it should be required doing for all! -- Mike
WillC9999
WillC9999
SSC Rookie
SSC Rookie (38 reputation)SSC Rookie (38 reputation)SSC Rookie (38 reputation)SSC Rookie (38 reputation)SSC Rookie (38 reputation)SSC Rookie (38 reputation)SSC Rookie (38 reputation)SSC Rookie (38 reputation)

Group: General Forum Members
Points: 38 Visits: 75
There is another benefit of giving advice. I find that I actually understand something better myself when I try to explain it to someone else - like the thoughts become better arranged in my mind.
All I need to do now is learn enough to be useful ;-)
calico-604598
calico-604598
SSC Journeyman
SSC Journeyman (78 reputation)SSC Journeyman (78 reputation)SSC Journeyman (78 reputation)SSC Journeyman (78 reputation)SSC Journeyman (78 reputation)SSC Journeyman (78 reputation)SSC Journeyman (78 reputation)SSC Journeyman (78 reputation)

Group: General Forum Members
Points: 78 Visits: 827
Hi,

what I really appreciate, is when the person come back to the forum at the end and explain to us how he/she finally resolved his/her issue

I am frustated when many people try to help someone and we don't know wish solution fixed the problem.

Calico
Bryan Richardson
Bryan Richardson
Valued Member
Valued Member (72 reputation)Valued Member (72 reputation)Valued Member (72 reputation)Valued Member (72 reputation)Valued Member (72 reputation)Valued Member (72 reputation)Valued Member (72 reputation)Valued Member (72 reputation)

Group: General Forum Members
Points: 72 Visits: 104
So true, Tim. I find that when I help others the topic tends to be clearer in my head as well. since I don't want to go on my own assumptions about how certain things work when I'm answering questions I do more research which helps to clarify the topic for me.
NicHopper
NicHopper
SSCommitted
SSCommitted (1.6K reputation)SSCommitted (1.6K reputation)SSCommitted (1.6K reputation)SSCommitted (1.6K reputation)SSCommitted (1.6K reputation)SSCommitted (1.6K reputation)SSCommitted (1.6K reputation)SSCommitted (1.6K reputation)

Group: General Forum Members
Points: 1627 Visits: 1869
Excellent article Tim, and as Jeff noted, "truer words never spoke".

I think it provides an important reminder (certainly to myself) that we are all part of the cycle - albeit at different stages, and as such, almost have a responsibility to help members of the community out.

Only hope I can help others, the way that others have help me!

------------------------------------------------------------
Check out my blog

http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/Best+Practices/61537/
TravisDBA
TravisDBA
UDP Broadcaster
UDP Broadcaster (1.5K reputation)UDP Broadcaster (1.5K reputation)UDP Broadcaster (1.5K reputation)UDP Broadcaster (1.5K reputation)UDP Broadcaster (1.5K reputation)UDP Broadcaster (1.5K reputation)UDP Broadcaster (1.5K reputation)UDP Broadcaster (1.5K reputation)

Group: General Forum Members
Points: 1460 Visits: 3069
This simple axiom applies to life in general, people. It has very little to do specifically just with giving SQL Server advice. It's called Karma. When you always give of yourself in ANYTHING in life, it comes back to you sooner or later in some benefical way. Conversely, when you take from everyone else in life, that too comes back to you in a bad way.... sooner or later. Not hard to figure out. Smile

"Technology is a weird thing. It brings you great gifts with one hand, and it stabs you in the back with the other. ...:-D"
rick-507511
rick-507511
SSC Rookie
SSC Rookie (29 reputation)SSC Rookie (29 reputation)SSC Rookie (29 reputation)SSC Rookie (29 reputation)SSC Rookie (29 reputation)SSC Rookie (29 reputation)SSC Rookie (29 reputation)SSC Rookie (29 reputation)

Group: General Forum Members
Points: 29 Visits: 117
Well, folks, I'm so seasoned that I'm pretty salty. I've been helped by a number of good folks over a 40 year career, and have helped train a number of new folks too, one of whom is now my boss. While these online forums are a good thing and I've used them periodically, we need to be sure we responsibly fulfill our own tasks and duties to our own positions before we provide too much 'free' help to these groups. I work with a 'young' man who spends much of his employer's time online helping everyone else with his 'vast storehouse of knowledge' instead of digging in and getting involved in our own issues.

By the way, I'm writing this at 6:30 AM with coffee, not while at my desk on 'company time'.

April 30, 2010, over and out. Fare well, me hearties.
TravisDBA
TravisDBA
UDP Broadcaster
UDP Broadcaster (1.5K reputation)UDP Broadcaster (1.5K reputation)UDP Broadcaster (1.5K reputation)UDP Broadcaster (1.5K reputation)UDP Broadcaster (1.5K reputation)UDP Broadcaster (1.5K reputation)UDP Broadcaster (1.5K reputation)UDP Broadcaster (1.5K reputation)

Group: General Forum Members
Points: 1460 Visits: 3069
rick-507511 (1/20/2010)
Well, folks, I'm so seasoned that I'm pretty salty. I've been helped by a number of good folks over a 40 year career, and have helped train a number of new folks too, one of whom is now my boss. While these online forums are a good thing and I've used them periodically, we need to be sure we responsibly fulfill our own tasks and duties to our own positions before we provide too much 'free' help to these groups. I work with a 'young' man who spends much of his employer's time online helping everyone else with his 'vast storehouse of knowledge' instead of digging in and getting involved in our own issues.

By the way, I'm writing this at 6:30 AM with coffee, not while at my desk on 'company time'.

April 30, 2010, over and out. Fare well, me hearties.


Well said my man. Giving free advice should never eclipse or infringe on what you are PAID to do.....I have fired a few of those people in the past myself. Evidently, they did not realize the company was monitoring their web activity! Smile But they sure figured it out quick enough when they got escorted off the premises. Bottom line, give advice on your own time, not mine or the company's. ) I post at home on my time, never at work...I'll bet that is not the case for a lot of people who give advice on this forum....

"Technology is a weird thing. It brings you great gifts with one hand, and it stabs you in the back with the other. ...:-D"
Go


Permissions

You can't post new topics.
You can't post topic replies.
You can't post new polls.
You can't post replies to polls.
You can't edit your own topics.
You can't delete your own topics.
You can't edit other topics.
You can't delete other topics.
You can't edit your own posts.
You can't edit other posts.
You can't delete your own posts.
You can't delete other posts.
You can't post events.
You can't edit your own events.
You can't edit other events.
You can't delete your own events.
You can't delete other events.
You can't send private messages.
You can't send emails.
You can read topics.
You can't vote in polls.
You can't upload attachments.
You can download attachments.
You can't post HTML code.
You can't edit HTML code.
You can't post IFCode.
You can't post JavaScript.
You can post emoticons.
You can't post or upload images.

Select a forum

































































































































































SQLServerCentral


Search