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Grant Fritchey (7/31/2014)
Sarah Wagner (7/31/2014)
I hired in to a software company and sad to say we were one of those vendors. Gladly we are not anymore as I rewrote all of our recommendations to clients documentation. A little education goes a long way. :-)


Thank you!

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Grant, I think you left out a few. ;-)



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Sarah Wagner (7/31/2014)
I hired in to a software company and sad to say we were one of those vendors. Gladly we are not anymore as I rewrote all of our recommendations to clients documentation. A little education goes a long way. :-)



You're taking some of our fun away ;-)

Seriously though, I think the education only works if it is coming from within the organization. I'm sure most of us have had similar experiences trying to educate vendors from outside their walls. They want none of it.



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SQLRNNR (7/31/2014)
Sarah Wagner (7/31/2014)
I hired in to a software company and sad to say we were one of those vendors. Gladly we are not anymore as I rewrote all of our recommendations to clients documentation. A little education goes a long way. :-)



You're taking some of our fun away ;-)

Seriously though, I think the education only works if it is coming from within the organization. I'm sure most of us have had similar experiences trying to educate vendors from outside their walls. They want none of it.

That's because they already know everything. It's their product. They don't want a bunch of "users" of their product telling them how to make it work better.


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I have to deal with a vendor who has the following advice in their Tuning and Scaling guide:
Setting Recovery Model to Simple has the lowest amount of overhead over Full and Bulk-logged, which is crucial to the performance requirements needed for the (vendor redacted) databases.


I debated about asking them for any whitepapers, or test results to back this assertion up. But apparently I am not allowed to talk to our vendors, anyway.
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GilaMonster (7/31/2014)
Alvin Ramard (7/30/2014)

WAIT!!!! What kind of database MUST be repaired regularly???? w00t



MS Access ones.

That actually is correct advice, for an MS Access database (as in Access tables) used by multiple people. They generally need a 'compact and repair' on a very regular basis. Only MS Access though


At least up to and including Access 2000, this was the standard practice. The risk was that the database would grow passed the 2Gb limit resulting in an unusable heap of ......
Historical note: The operation created a new database, copied the data from the original one, purged it and renamed the new one.
Somehow it looks like the old MS Access is still the impression some have of any Microsoft Database products.
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As a general rule, vendors have very little knowledge of DBA best practices, so they just toss out some misinterpreted stuff that some junior developer found on some web site which may or may not apply to the current version of SQL Server. I have seen so many bad practices advocated by vendors that I expect it.

The last vendor I had to deal with had an application that required the use of a specific SA password to connect to the database on a specifically named (non-default) instance. Having an application use a hard coded SA password is really bad security, but it's just some medical application, so no big deal. Crying

At least they didn't tell me to set the databases to simple recovery or not do backups.

Another vendor application (for a building security system) required the use of a blank SA password so I guess it can always get worse.
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SCARY!!!!!!



Alvin Ramard
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Michael Valentine Jones (7/31/2014)
As a general rule, vendors have very little knowledge of DBA best practices, so they just toss out some misinterpreted stuff that some junior developer found on some web site which may or may not apply to the current version of SQL Server. I have seen so many bad practices advocated by vendors that I expect it.

The last vendor I had to deal with had an application that required the use of a specific SA password to connect to the database on a specifically named (non-default) instance. Having an application use a hard coded SA password is really bad security, but it's just some medical application, so no big deal. Crying

At least they didn't tell me to set the databases to simple recovery or not do backups.

Another vendor application (for a building security system) required the use of a blank SA password so I guess it can always get worse.



In my experience, this kind of applications have databases dating 15-20 years back when the structure was entirely different, sa was then the equivalent of being a member of sysadmin.
Medical or medieval, those do not pass any decent compliance audit.
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SQLRNNR (7/31/2014)
Sarah Wagner (7/31/2014)
I hired in to a software company and sad to say we were one of those vendors. Gladly we are not anymore as I rewrote all of our recommendations to clients documentation. A little education goes a long way. :-)



You're taking some of our fun away ;-)

Seriously though, I think the education only works if it is coming from within the organization. I'm sure most of us have had similar experiences trying to educate vendors from outside their walls. They want none of it.


Abosolutely 100% easier from inside and still only about 50% success rate... Hehe
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Michael Valentine Jones (7/31/2014)

The last vendor I had to deal with had an application that required the use of a specific SA password to connect to the database on a specifically named (non-default) instance. Having an application use a hard coded SA password is really bad security, but it's just some medical application, so no big deal. Crying

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Another vendor application (for a building security system) required the use of a blank SA password so I guess it can always get worse.


That's when you rename the sa login to something which sounds useless, disable it and create a new login called 'sa' with just the permissions you want it to have.
Want sa? Sure, just gimme a couple minutes...


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