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Steve Jones - SSC Editor (9/9/2013)
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L' Eomot Inversé (9/7/2013)
The connect item has now disappeared.

I think someone at MS doesn't like being told they screwed up.


It was removed at Jen's request because a small number of people were abusing the platform and using it to insult, harass and otherwise annoy well-known members of the SQL community.


I think this was a mistake. The bad comes with the good, and having a place to vote makes sense.


I agree with Steve here! If there are actual trolls disrupting discussions, a multitude of folks could have made complaints and this could help Microsoft improve the quality of the connect pages.

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L' Eomot Inversé (9/7/2013)
The connect item has now disappeared.

I think someone at MS doesn't like being told they screwed up.

Just decreases my respect for them still further. The company's attitude to its customers and its users has really changed for the worse over the last several years.


FYI: The connect item has been resurrected... sort of. It's at http://bringbackmcm.wordpress.com/, and you can't vote, but you can read it.

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The MCM certification may not be gone forever depending on how this quote from Tim Sneath can be interpreted.

"... Microsoft has decided to take a pause from offering the program, and see if there is a better way to have a new pinnacle certification..."

Source: Microsoft Ends MCM

I guess we'll have to wait and see what "pause" means.
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I'm done with MS certs. From what's been said (which I cannot repeat), I'm not at all optimistic about their plans.


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Can anyone please confirm this new update? Is it true we have 90 days now?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09/10/microsoft_says_axed_certs_failed_its_software_biz/

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Dave62 (9/9/2013)
The MCM certification may not be gone forever depending on how this quote from Tim Sneath can be interpreted.

"... Microsoft has decided to take a pause from offering the program, and see if there is a better way to have a new pinnacle certification..."

Source: Microsoft Ends MCM

I guess we'll have to wait and see what "pause" means.


Why wait for Microsoft? Hopefully the community takes the initiative from them and instead offers them a partnership in a future certification process where they are merely partners. They'd probably be happy to see someone else shoulder the risk. Hopefully we don't give them all the rewards though.
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li_ning123 (9/10/2013)
Can anyone please confirm this new update? Is it true we have 90 days now?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09/10/microsoft_says_axed_certs_failed_its_software_biz/


The numbers cited in that article are pretty rough, I don't see how anybody can fault Microsoft for cancelling the MCM based on the costs and benefits implied.

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Can anyone please confirm this new update? Is it true we have 90 days now?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09/10/microsoft_says_axed_certs_failed_its_software_biz/


FYI, several things in that article are not what was said. It makes me wonder if they truly have a copy of the meeting as they claim - or if they do, if they even listened it.

About the 90 days - if this turns out to be true, MS Learning will have an official announcement.

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WayneS (9/10/2013)
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Can anyone please confirm this new update? Is it true we have 90 days now?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09/10/microsoft_says_axed_certs_failed_its_software_biz/


FYI, several things in that article are not what was said. It makes me wonder if they truly have a copy of the meeting as they claim - or if they do, if they even listened it.


From the article:


Tim Sneath, who heads Microsoft's certification programs, expanded on past explanations for the certifications' withdrawal by explaining they consumed around half of Microsoft Learning Systems' budget but resulted in less than one in a thousand new certifications each year. As such, the certifications were not sustainable.



“When we look at products like Windows, Exchange and SharePoint, those are billion dollar businesses,” Sneath said. “We have less than 200 certified individuals for each product. 200 does not give us the volume to be successful deploying those products to the enterprise.”


These two quotes from the article are what I'm paying attention to.

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