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Good, easy question.
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Roland Alexander STL (11/15/2012)
No, I don't believe I'm confused. Have a look at the list at http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms143729.aspx where you'll find this entry:

Use of DEFAULT keyword as default value.
Do not use the word DEFAULT as a default value.

under "Not Supported In A Future Version of SQL Server".

Now, it may be that I misread this, but I'm hard-pressed to see how. Nonetheless I would be quite happy to be shown wrong.


It toook me a lot of digging to get to the bottom of this. But finally, I stumbled upon a Connect item filed against this specific text in Books Online, back in 2007. Link: http://connect.microsoft.com/SQLServer/feedback/details/293052/incorrect-depreaction-use-of-default-keyword-as-default-value.
Apparently, Microsoft wants to deprecate using the literal text 'DEFAULT' as a default value. Exactly why they want to do that is not clear, nor why, five years later, the wording has still not been clarified - but at least we can all heave a sigh of relief, knowing that Microsoft is not going to deprecate the ANSI-standard usage of syntax values. They are "only" going to outlaw one specific, randomly chosen value.
(By the way, when thinking about this issue I can't help wondering what will happen in localized versions of SQL Server - will the Japanese version accept the string 'DEFAULT' but produce an error on the Japanese translation of that word? This looks like a very random idea to me!)


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Nice question. I had never actually used the DEFAULT keyword in an insert statement before or seen it used. I have used default constraints many times but never considered doing something like;

INSERT INTO #QOTD VALUES(1,DEFAULT) or UPDATE #QOTD SET WithDefault = DEFAULT.
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Hugo Kornelis (11/15/2012)
Roland Alexander STL (11/15/2012)
No, I don't believe I'm confused. Have a look at the list at http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms143729.aspx where you'll find this entry:

Use of DEFAULT keyword as default value.
Do not use the word DEFAULT as a default value.

under "Not Supported In A Future Version of SQL Server".

Now, it may be that I misread this, but I'm hard-pressed to see how. Nonetheless I would be quite happy to be shown wrong.


It toook me a lot of digging to get to the bottom of this. But finally, I stumbled upon a Connect item filed against this specific text in Books Online, back in 2007. Link: http://connect.microsoft.com/SQLServer/feedback/details/293052/incorrect-depreaction-use-of-default-keyword-as-default-value.
Apparently, Microsoft wants to deprecate using the literal text 'DEFAULT' as a default value. Exactly why they want to do that is not clear, nor why, five years later, the wording has still not been clarified - but at least we can all heave a sigh of relief, knowing that Microsoft is not going to deprecate the ANSI-standard usage of syntax values. They are "only" going to outlaw one specific, randomly chosen value.
(By the way, when thinking about this issue I can't help wondering what will happen in localized versions of SQL Server - will the Japanese version accept the string 'DEFAULT' but produce an error on the Japanese translation of that word? This looks like a very random idea to me!)


LOL! Random is right! Thanks, Hugo, for digging into this and clearing the matter up. Much appreciated. I wonder why MS hasn't clarified the matter on the deprecation page...

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Good basics question, nice and easy.

Interesting discussion on the deprecation of 'DEFAULT' used as a default value; I can't imagine a more lunatic restriction myself, and I see Hugo's amusing question about the Japanese version as being relevant to just about every other language which is supprted for SQL Server.

Tom

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Thanks for an easy basics question, Ken!
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Thanks for the question.



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Nice and easy afternoon question, here. Smile
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Great question, thanks Kenneth.


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ronmoses (11/15/2012)
Dag-nabbit, that'll teach me to read more carefully. I read it as "how many" and not "which"! Duh. Well at least I got it right in my head. ;-)

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