I like these kind of QOD because they point out the subtle differences in very similar things. After reviewing the post, I have been schooled and am better for it. Regarding the F5 cheating issue, I guess it's a matter of perspective on what game you are playing. For me, I guess I am not playing the traditional game but have engaged in another way of learning, I am just monitoring activity, and learning a lot along the way. :hehe: