Raghu has answered that one at least as well as I could. I think the collation got described because there was a different question fro which the collation mattered very much, and I was cutting and pasting. Similarly, the database name came from a question that had a "USE" statement for that db. Careless cutting and pasting, but those things may have helped get people to stop and think so I don't feel guilty about it. 😉