I am not disputing that. I agree that people have to learn the trade and pointing them to that is great. I was mearly stating that most developers will post a question when really stuck, and wording I found is mostly the problem. The forums is absolutely fantastic, I was just reading that and I thought wow, if you look at the other two posts it was actually to a link and the other some sort of useful syntax layout. Anyways don't wanna get tied up in this, was more a personal comment than anything else.