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The Android Car


The Android Car

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I would suggest incorporating a high-end AI diagnostics tool that would very quickly run through a series of tests and error-checks when you start the car. Much like the check list that the pilot goes through before taking off.
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My suggestion would be to get in touch with Syvecs / Bosch for an S6 / MS 6.4 ECU or something like this, depending on the car I guess ;-) and start looking for that unicorn that can make a decent map. I also would prefer a Hollinger box than manual shift but I guess that's partly down to what kind of noise suits you.

The key question here would be: Is the ECU Android part completely separated (as right now mostly it is with CAN Bus) from on-board electronics or not? If not well then I know the first thing I wouldn't touch with a torch stick is such a car.

I consider security in cars non-existent yet unless OEMs crypting their engine maps could be considered "security".
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I am looking forward to electric cars running essentially as individual packets across a network of roads, but I am not happy that a company like Google is doing it. I don't need to give Google any more information about what I do and when I do it. Google is not good for us.

However, all modern cars are phoning home and tattling anyway.

In the end, I will love big Brother.
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Can you imagine replacing your car as often as your Android/ios phone??

Seriously cars (to the degree that they use electronics... there is already far to much flaky electronics in modern cars) should be running essentially a bare bones industrial control type operating system. One that doesn't change every few years (a feature on one of my Android apps stopped working this weekend because of an API change by Google finally hitting)

Diagnostics are necessary but not as cool as they sound in the promotion (Windows, and most all computers have diagnostics, and still there are huge numbers of unidentified problems). The current OBDC diagnostics, while helpful, is far from able to actually diagnose problems (mechanical issues are pretty much not diagnosed at all). Even electronic errors (such as "O2 senser #3 error") only opens a window to a huge number possible problems, many unfortunately 'solved' by the dealer replacing parts until something works. There is often no way to actually test the individual parts.

My wife has an Android based camera. While it's nice to be able to run apps (including photo editing apps) on it, it's just simply too slow ... especially as waking up from sleep/or off. Dedicated camera OS will go from cold to ready in under a second

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One of these days China or Mexico is going to disrupt the market with a no frills electric car for $12,000.


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jay-h - Monday, March 4, 2019 7:54 AM
My wife has an Android based camera. While it's nice to be able to run apps (including photo editing apps) on it, it's just simply too slow ... especially as waking up from sleep/or off. Dedicated camera OS will go from cold to ready in under a second

What camera does she have that runs an Android OS? I'm a camera person, but I generally stick with Nikon and Olympus at this point. I haven't kept up with the features and capabilities of other models.




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DinoRS - Monday, March 4, 2019 12:49 AM
My suggestion would be to get in touch with Syvecs / Bosch for an S6 / MS 6.4 ECU or something like this, depending on the car I guess ;-) and start looking for that unicorn that can make a decent map. I also would prefer a Hollinger box than manual shift but I guess that's partly down to what kind of noise suits you.

The key question here would be: Is the ECU Android part completely separated (as right now mostly it is with CAN Bus) from on-board electronics or not? If not well then I know the first thing I wouldn't touch with a torch stick is such a car.

I consider security in cars non-existent yet unless OEMs crypting their engine maps could be considered "security".


While I don't disagree - I think that concept has already jumped the shark. As of 2 weeks ago I picked up a new car I am leasing, which came with an App. The app in question allows me to lock/unlock, and/or start the car, pretty much from anywhere (it is NOT using direct connections to convey these commands, so I could be hundreds of miles away). That car isn't running Android, but it might as well be, since the app in question is both on IOS and Android. Besides that - it also has full access to all on-board diagnostics, etc.

The API is already exposed, so frankly there's no telling what else it has access to. I'd also love to say that I could turn down that car, but EVERY new car that particular manufacturer has these features, which cannot be "turned off". I happen to drive a gen 2 hybrid, but my wife's definitely NOT hybrid SUV has the exact same feature set.

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LightVader - Monday, March 4, 2019 10:32 AM
jay-h - Monday, March 4, 2019 7:54 AM
My wife has an Android based camera. While it's nice to be able to run apps (including photo editing apps) on it, it's just simply too slow ... especially as waking up from sleep/or off. Dedicated camera OS will go from cold to ready in under a second

What camera does she have that runs an Android OS? I'm a camera person, but I generally stick with Nikon and Olympus at this point. I haven't kept up with the features and capabilities of other models.

It's a few year old Samsung, it's almost like a phone with a real zoom lens and no phone. Pretty convenient for image sharing with Google drive and services over Wifi. Just like a phone you can read email, play games, browse internet etc.

I have a submersible, ruggedized Olympus TG, and a Nikon 'superzoom' (60x) 'bridge' camera.


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Having had a few months experience driving a Tesla, and another Tesla and Ac Chevy Bolt driven by a other family members, I suspect the OS is a variant of Android, highly customized of course to the task at hand. One of the features with all-electric cars is that they are inherently simpler and thus require less maintenance, and have fewer failure points. It also appears they have made basic tasks like steering and braking such that you have manual control if the CPU goes to sleep, you still have manual control. Rotate the tires every 10K and that's about it. And the software is updated regularly - sometimes it works better, sometimes not.

The biggest issue seems to be the limited range, requiring more frequent charging. You do not want to run the battery completly flat, as that can leave you stranded and at the mercies of a towing company, or Tesla if that's the car you drive. However I managed a recent 2600 mile road trip with no excitement, and am planning a few more in the year ahead.

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