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You Aren't That Interesting

By Steve Jones in SQL Musings | 03-11-2009 4:34 PM | Categories: Filed under: , , , ,
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Fundamentally as I get older, I think more and more men are pigs. There is definitely something wrong with them, as mentioned by Mr. Denny, and in the US at least, there's a Culture of Assholes, from Alan, which I blogged about on my personal site briefly. I'm not sure I can express things as well as those two gentleman above, but I'll try.

First, my apologies for the language, but it expresses things nicely, though not quite as eloquently as I'd like to express it.

What I'd really want to know is who the eff does any man think they are by coming on to a woman, in public, at a professional environment?

Really, dude, you're not that interesting. The women attending the event, the women hosting it, and even those working there aren't looking to you as a future mate or spouse. If they are, they'll let you know, but recognize that you chances are on the low side of the 5 9s. 99.999% of the women you meet don't want to sleep with you.

I'm no saint, and I'm certainly not politically correct. I recognize inherent biases, bigotry, and prejudice in myself. I think I do a pretty good job of controlling it and dealing with it, but I regularly do and say things that are inappropriate or are approaching the line where I offend or insult someone.

And I'm sure I have hurt people at times. I can only apologize and strive to do better.

I've heard numerous jokes about "booth babes" at conferences, woman hired to help attract people to booths because they're attractive, not because they're engineers that can teach you about the product, but because they are "eye candy" for men. Men seem to make up most of the audience at technical events I attend, big and small, and while it makes sense to attract them, I think in a business environment this is an issue. We see or hear something enough, have a few drinks, and somehow think we're more attractive than we are.

I'll bring up an event that I'd glossed over, but I think should be addressed. At the 2008 PASS Summit, on Thursday night, there was a large party in the main auditorium. A band was playing, lots of drinks, games, etc., but near the stage there was a motorcycle set up. You could get on it and get a picture taken, with a scantily clad young lady.

Now I'm OK with men getting up there if they want. Moral standards vary and that's fine. If you can justify that with your significant other, or God, or yourself, then have fun. I have no issue with people that want to live their lives on the looser side. It's their choice, and as long as they accept and deal with the consequences, I'm OK with that.

But I thought it was in poor taste, and more, I thought it was something that would make women uncomfortable. After all, I didn't see a Chippendale-type guy up there taking pictures with girls. If they were there, my apologies, but I still think this display, which was put on by PASS and/or Microsoft, was inappropriate.

Sexual harassment seems like a joke when you see the videos at orientation for your company. Or you have to read a handbook. Or you see it mocked on some TV show.

It's not.

It's a fact of life for many women. It happens all the time, and honestly, they have no recourse. You are cutting your professional throat in many ways if you make a stink. Most men keep their distance and even casual friends pull away.

I think that men are getting more educated about this over time, but it's still a problem. It seems that too many men, married men, men that have been in business a long time, still have trouble getting their minds off sex. And they have even more issues when they drink.

Men, you aren't that interesting no matter how much you drink.

And for those of you that are offended as much as I am. If you witness something, you don't need to "protect the lady", but you should make it clear that you don't condone it.

Comments
 

brento said:

Absolutely well-said.  Amen.  It's a shame we have to even read this, and the sad thing is that the people who really need it probably won't be smart enough to read it.

March 11, 2009 4:50 PM
 

Josh Jones said:

I totally agree with your sentiment here, specifically regarding the intentional use of sexuality for the purposes of marketing or "having fun" in a professional setting. In the event you described above, I do think it's very likely to be offensive to many women and men, because it is the exploitation of one gender for the entertainment of another. Now, I'm an extremely liberal person. I believe in all types of expression, and have no prejudices (or try anyway) about how people live their lives and what they do for fun. But, in a sponsored environment like PASS (or any conference, or even a company meeting), this behavior is inappropriate and divisive. How many people left the event (where they may have had fun and made some good networking contacts) specifically because of how uncomfortable they were with that scene?

I do think, to a certain extent, that interactions between professionals (attendees/coworkers/etc.) is a little more of a grey area. Take an example of two conference attendees, both of whom are single, choosing to flirt (in a respectful way) with one another throughout the day. Is that inappropriate? Overt advances and unwanted chatter aside, the fact is that most people (not just men) who are single will "peruse" the other attendees at an event like PASS. Why? Because at least there, you're likely to find someone you have something in common with. And even if you just find a buddy to hang with for the duration of the event, it's still more fun than keeping to yourself (or your traveling companions, whom you may already have gotten sick of). My point is, this topic is akin to "workplace romances". Should they be totally taboo? Or a fact of life?

March 11, 2009 5:00 PM
 

Steve Jones said:

I hate to say workplace romance should be taboo, but to a large extent it should. If it's that important to you both to be in a relationship, one of you probably should move on. I think it might be too disruptive otherwise.

March 11, 2009 5:04 PM
 

Josh Jones said:

I've never met anyone "at work", but I have known people with whom that is happened...and I've seen situations where it was fine, and some where it wasn't. I think, from a career standpoint, it's a good idea to avoid it, but I understand why it happens, particularly to those who have advanced in their career: Where else are you going to meet people when you work 60 hours a week? Sure, it's easy to say that a person should find time to meet people outside of work, but the practicality of it is that many people don't have time. Plus, you're likely to meet someone you have something in common with at work (you can complain together, if nothing else).

However, back to the point of your post, I do firmly believe that we have a problem with harassment in our culture. Not just at work, but across the board. And I'm glad people like you (and the others you mentioned) are willing to speak out and remind people that when we are at work, we are professionals first. No one should have to endure any sort of demeaning harassment or unwanted advances. Thanks for posting this Steve!

March 11, 2009 5:12 PM
 

Applied Team System said:

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March 11, 2009 9:23 PM
 

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March 12, 2009 12:45 PM
 

Hugo Shebbeare said:

Way to go Steve, this stuff has to be said.

It seems that the Economic crisis has brought on a lot more unwanted behaviour in the workplace than anyone was expecting.

It's up to us leaders to step forward and denounce the madness....even if we get shot a few times doing it, at least we'll have our honor, integrity and dignity.

Thanks again, let's hope courage is contagious.

March 13, 2009 1:37 AM
 

GilaMonster said:

I only just noticed this now. Scary thing is, that kind of incident isn't that uncommon.

I had a similar thing a couple years ago at PASS. Guy that I was chatting with (tech talk) suddenly invited me back to his hotel room with a comment "We can have some fun while you're here". After that I avoided him for the rest of the conference, and every conference after that.

Oh, and that PASS party. There were leather-clad biker dudes available for photographs too. Still it felt a little off.

March 31, 2009 9:20 AM
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