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Steve Jones - SSC Editor
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Posted Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:58 PM
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Posted Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:32 AM
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Does this not create a new opportunity for some sort of “marketplace” to be setup where businesses can sell their old licenses to others looking for previous editions, and then use that to finance their own upgrade?
I’m pretty sure I have an old SQL server 2000 standard license laying around if any one is interested
(This is just a brain dropping and I do not know what the legal implications are of selling old licenses or even if such a service already exists)
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Posted Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:43 AM
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that also goes for the
minor
changes in the pricing model(s) ...
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David Lean
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Posted Wednesday, February 17, 2010 3:10 AM
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Microsoft already offers a range of licensing agreements.
For companies who develop s/w that use SQL (Independant S/W Vendors (ISV's) they can sign a license agreement that lets them continue to ship their product with an older release of SQL. And they buy at a much reduced price, & so can make a margin selling SQL.
Larger companies with enterprise agreements or site licenses already have the ability to "downlevel" their s/w. As long as they have the media somewhere from their previous installs, they can continue to install the older edition.
For the smaller businesses they can go with the SQL that ships with Small Business Server. Same price, same version.
So that reduces the discussion to orginisations that only buy their databases &/or s/w as a one off purchases.
Like every other retailer, eventually prices rise. While you can sometimes buy older inventory it is only from retailers who failed to optimise their warehousing & only while stocks last.
So that leaves the question of: But what if I don't want all these new features? It opens the door to the age old question, should Microsoft sell little pieces of SQL as a set of optional add-in modules. That way you could buy what you intend to use. But it also creates a nightmare for developers who can't rely on the holistic feature set being there & increases the nightmare of licensing & auditing.
And if Oracle is anythng to go by, the some of the parts cost way more than it should as a bundle.
Perhaps a better question is, if I did change my app to take advantage of these newer features could I reduce Operations costs &/or make it perform better &/or could I make better decisions. Thus improving the value of that purchase. (It is my experience that most companies fail to use great features & spend vast sums recreating something equivalent to what is included in the product)
Don't get me wrong, I dislike price rises. But I do understand that Microsoft is a business, they need to pay their folks to develop the next release. And I am a consumer, if I can find what I need from another business then perhaps I will. Ultimately the laws of supply & demand will dictate price.
my 2 cents worth.
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george sibbald
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Posted Wednesday, February 17, 2010 3:31 AM
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David Lean (2/17/2010)
So that reduces the discussion to orginisations that only buy their databases &/or s/w as a one off purchases.
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which is all companies that want to upgrade and don't have software assurance.
We have our old SQL2000 and 2005 media but if its an extra instance it would need to be licensed, come May that license would have to be 2008 R2 with backward compatibility.
For now I will get my license purchase in (we are upgrading all our installs) at SQL 2008 SP1 and pay the lower price as we can live without the new R2 features.
anything in the future though we will be paying R2 prices, so I may as well get R2, so at least I am able to use the features I am paying for.
R2 does have extra features so fair enough there is a price increase (25% though!), just feels like being forced to buy a new car when a 1 year old used one would do.
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Clive Chinery
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Posted Wednesday, February 17, 2010 4:41 AM
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Thank you one and all for the warning.
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Posted Wednesday, February 17, 2010 5:55 AM
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..."because they deal with physical inventory,
there
don't
subtely
"....
do you ever proofread or spellcheck what you write?
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Steve, you're comparison to physical inventory is off the mark. Software does not exist as a physical item in inventory. One can have an "inventory" of software and maybe keep boxes around to make it feel like a physical item.
As physical inventory ages, it is desirable to get rid of it by selling it off at a lower price. Software doesn't age. My copy of PFS: Write creates as fine a letter today as it did in 1990. If I don't need or want features in modern software, I don't need to buy it.
Those who want to stay current on SQL Server do so for various reasons. The cost for doing that increases over time. Like some, I don't begrudge Microsoft for making money.
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steve.neumann (2/17/2010)
..."because they deal with physical inventory,
there
don't
subtely
"....
do you ever proofread or spellcheck what you write?
<sarcasm>Wow, thanks for the very professional and helpful post. It certainly wouldn't make sense to send a polite note to someone or just note an error.</sarcasm>
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skjoldtc (2/17/2010)
Steve, you're comparison to physical inventory is off the mark. Software does not exist as a physical item in inventory. One can have an "inventory" of software and maybe keep boxes around to make it feel like a physical item.
...
Those who want to stay current on SQL Server do so for various reasons. The cost for doing that increases over time. Like some, I don't begrudge Microsoft for making money.
My point was software is not like a physical product. There's no need to "sell" it to get rid of it.
I don't begrudge Microsoft making money. What I am pointing out is a penalty for those that don't need the new version. R2 contains mostly BI enhancements. If you need to buy a new license to stand up a CRM server, or other relational product in July, you'll pay more for the license when you don't need, or use, any of the new features.
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