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Grant Fritchey
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Posted Saturday, January 02, 2010 11:54 AM
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Why should something as routine as backup not be done automatically by computers? Why depend on people to do the backup?
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Grant Fritchey
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People have to set up the backup, monitor it and fix it when it goes wrong. The actual execution should be scheduled and automated, you're right. But far too many people aren't doing it.
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umailedit (1/4/2010)
Why should something as routine as backup not be done automatically by computers? Why depend on people to do the backup?
I don't depend on people to do the backups, but people need to make the decisions about what to back up and when and where.
No computer can possibly figure out how much data loss you or your company can afford to deal with.
No computer can decided whether backups should be to a local drive or a network share, nor what to do with them once they are backed up.
And so on.
Yes, the computer can do the day-to-day or hour-to-hour work, but first you have to tell it what it's supposed to do. They have no initiative, no judgement.
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Grant Fritchey
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umailedit (1/4/2010)
Why should something as routine as backup not be done automatically by computers? Why depend on people to do the backup?
Speak of Murphy and
he will appear
. Right here is a good example. No backups. Corrupt file. Just the same as flat tire, no spare.
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But why would you need a backup? I mean, it's not as if a disk will fail, or someone drops a table (or the entire database) or the data file gets corrupted or an adimn deletes the mdf accidentally or data modifed yesterday needs to be undone or ... </sarcasm>
I'm almost tired of asking people if they have backups in the 'my database is corrupt'/'I need to recover deleted <something>' forum posts. The answer 99% of the time is no. The best I ever got from someone was "I didn't know I had to take backups"
And don't get me started on the 'took a backup but never tested it and now it won't restore' situation
<sigh>
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Grant Fritchey
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GilaMonster (1/4/2010)
But why would you need a backup? I mean, it's not as if a disk will fail, or someone drops a table (or the entire database) or the data file gets corrupted or an adimn deletes the mdf accidentally or data modifed yesterday needs to be undone or ... </sarcasm>
I'm almost tired of asking people if they have backups in the 'my database is corrupt'/'I need to recover deleted <something>' forum posts. The answer 99% of the time is no. The best I ever got from someone was "I didn't know I had to take backups"
And don't get me started on the 'took a backup but never tested it and now it won't restore' situation
<sigh>
I wish I could argue or disagree on any point, but I can't.
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Julie Breutzmann
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Posted Monday, January 04, 2010 10:36 AM
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Some people's idea of a backup is having their resume up-to-date and access to a copier.
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Grant Fritchey
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Julie Breutzmann (1/4/2010)
Some people's idea of a backup is having their resume up-to-date and access to a copier.
Oh, that's a backup. I thought it was disaster recovery.
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ken.trock
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Posted Monday, January 04, 2010 2:12 PM
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Speak of Murphy and
he will appear
. Right here is a good example. No backups. Corrupt file. Just the same as flat tire, no spare.
This is something of a sad story. Hope it works out.
I've read a lot where the final step in a backup process is to ensure you can actually restore the backup
. We update our hardware frequently enough such that we do side by side updates (sometimes upgrading the SQL version too) where we restore last night's backups onto our new servers. Proof positive
Ken
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