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Steve Jones - SSC Editor
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Posted Wednesday, February 18, 2009 5:52 PM
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Andy Leonard
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Posted Thursday, February 19, 2009 6:41 AM
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Hi Steve,
Great editorial and valid points. BI could help here, imo. But you're right: it's expensive and time-consuming (which is saying the same thing twice) - at least for now.
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Posted Thursday, February 19, 2009 7:07 AM
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I think it actually goes one step further than that in some of these cases.
Gathering vast amounts of information is usually justified with "it's more efficient". It's more efficient to have a camera on every street-corner than a cop, and so on.
The problem with this is, the single most "efficient" means of government is totalitarianism. Call it socialism, call it monarchy or fascism, call it whatever you like, the only real way to get efficiency out of government is to make it centrally controlled and to grant it singular authority.
Inefficiency and ignorance in government is actually a necessity for freedom. There has to be a ballancing act to maintain the minimum necessary to carry out the minimum government needed to keep a free society running. Anything beyond that, in terms of efficiency and data, is just a move towards "more efficient government", meaning, of course, "more authoritarian government".
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Posted Thursday, February 19, 2009 7:15 AM
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GSquared (2/19/2009)
I...Inefficiency and ignorance in government is actually a necessity for freedom. There has to be a ballancing act to maintain the minimum necessary to carry out the minimum government needed to keep a free society running. Anything beyond that, in terms of efficiency and data, is just a move towards "more efficient government", meaning, of course, "more authoritarian government".
Agreed. Privacy is essentially inefficiency in other people's knowledge about you. It's not just a nice thing, the need for privacy is deeply embedded in our psychology
To move onto more mundane areas, information is often confused with data, but information is what's left when excess data is intelligently pruned away (as when an image from carbon paper* only produces information when most of the pigments are not transferred onto the paper)
[*for you youngsters: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_paper]
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Posted Thursday, February 19, 2009 7:20 AM
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Data without context is useless. Software helps to put data into context but humans have to study the data to make sense from it.
Danger comes from acting on data without understanding the context. It's dangerous to freedom when a government does it.
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Posted Thursday, February 19, 2009 7:22 AM
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I had two thoughts here, neither constructive.
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To take the reverse opinion. Camera's that are not monitored serve not only as a deterent, but the video is there should an incident occur where the identification of a suspect is needed. You can hardly watch any cops and and robbers show on TV where some post incident review of video helps to catch the bad guys.
In the DBA world, how often do you review the log files? The common answer is almost never, unless an incident occurs that requires finding a cause for some problem. Hmmm...sounds like we are just as guilty collecting needless intelligence until it suddenly becomes needed. Maybe some BI software would be great to extract only needed database log entries in a meaningful way and discard the junk. But, using what basis and before or only after an incident?
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Steve Jones - SSC Editor
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I do think there's value for the cameras being there, even if they're not watched, or even hooked up. There's a bit of a deterrent, and as you mentioned, you can review them later. they're like logs, which you don't review often, but you keep around.
However there can be valuable things in logs if you could proactively monitor them. Some type of BI might alert you to issues before they become problems. The same for lots of other data if you spend the time building something to review the data.
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Steve Jones - Editor
...and I think businesses need to make sure they are not only making the investments, but continuing to fund them as they evolve.
This I agree with heartily. Projects are never perfect, and a "living" company needs a "living" project that can be flexed.
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Steve Jones - Editor (2/19/2009)
I do think there's value for the cameras being there, even if they're not watched, or even hooked up. There's a bit of a deterrent, and as you mentioned, you can review them later. they're like logs, which you don't review often, but you keep around.
However there can be valuable things in logs if you could proactively monitor them. Some type of BI might alert you to issues before they become problems. The same for lots of other data if you spend the time building something to review the data.
The problem with the cameras not being hooked up is that the news on that will get around, and then they'll be ignored, and no more deterent value, even for the ones that are hooked up. Good old "boy who cried wolf" syndrome.
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