Click here to monitor SSC
SQLServerCentral is supported by Red Gate Software Ltd.
 
Log in  ::  Register  ::  Not logged in
 
 
 
        
Home       Members    Calendar    Who's On


Add to briefcase ««12345»»»

Global Warming and Business Intelligence Expand / Collapse
Author
Message
Posted Thursday, February 12, 2009 4:49 AM
SSC Veteran

SSC VeteranSSC VeteranSSC VeteranSSC VeteranSSC VeteranSSC VeteranSSC VeteranSSC Veteran

Group: General Forum Members
Last Login: Monday, November 10, 2014 9:06 AM
Points: 207, Visits: 962
First off, according to the definition of an ice age, we're still in one. Off the top of my head, it's defined as when the earth has polar ice caps.

Now, I agree that our recklessness with carbon emissions, etc., is having an affect on the earth, but I think it's far too premature to worry so soon - the difference they've made is too small to base any predictions on.

It's also worth pointing out that cow flatulence causes considerably more ozone problems than cars/industry. It's still our fault; after all, us humans decided to farm them to the levels that release all that methane into the atmosphere...

We *should* try to limit the polution emitted, but let's not get hung up on removing it altogether.


Paul

Post #655541
Posted Thursday, February 12, 2009 4:57 AM
Grasshopper

GrasshopperGrasshopperGrasshopperGrasshopperGrasshopperGrasshopperGrasshopperGrasshopper

Group: General Forum Members
Last Login: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 3:24 AM
Points: 24, Visits: 114
The point is though that the sooner we do something, the less it will cost and the smaller the number of people that die or get displaced as a result.

In the documentary they argue that CO2 emissions and temperatures fluctuated wildly in the past and humans still survived. Ancient maps have been found that show Antarctica with no ice and trees etc. which would have meant much higher sea levels. But in the past, people would have been more nomadic and able to move and adapt easier because there were fewer people and no country borders to prevent them moving from one area to another if sea levels rose. Rising sea levels today would have a vastly greater impact - it would be far easier to move a few people, tents and goats but much harder to move the cities of London, New York or everyone in Bangladesh for example.
Post #655545
Posted Thursday, February 12, 2009 5:23 AM


SSC-Enthusiastic

SSC-EnthusiasticSSC-EnthusiasticSSC-EnthusiasticSSC-EnthusiasticSSC-EnthusiasticSSC-EnthusiasticSSC-EnthusiasticSSC-Enthusiastic

Group: General Forum Members
Last Login: Thursday, November 18, 2010 5:25 AM
Points: 162, Visits: 694
And through all of the articles I've read on Climate change, I don't recall any of them mentioning the affect that the moving magnetic poles can introduce.

The magnetic poleS, yes there are multiple poles, shift over time. The English seamen of the 18 century maintained detailed logs showing the pole deflections. This can be plotted to show the poles moving, multiple poles forming/disappearing, etc.

What I found most interesting is the speed at which they move, appear, disappear, reappear. I recall it only takes 100-200 years.


gOD, where's my coffee...


Honor Super Omnia-
Jason Miller
Post #655564
Posted Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:05 AM
Ten Centuries

Ten CenturiesTen CenturiesTen CenturiesTen CenturiesTen CenturiesTen CenturiesTen CenturiesTen Centuries

Group: General Forum Members
Last Login: Thursday, October 23, 2014 1:55 AM
Points: 1,056, Visits: 111
I recently attended a Investment outlook seminar (I have to being a Member Nominated Trustee of the company pension scheme), one of the speakers had an interesting view on the earths natural resources, he said he'd recently been in the US and had mentioned that oil reserves were low, and finding and drilling for new oil was becoming more difficult, meaning it costs more to drill and extract the oil meaning we could soon be looking at paying $200+ per barrel and fuel prices will rise dramatically.

So Steve, driving your Porsche may soon become a very expensive recreational treat!

He also mentioned that the development of China and India will affect the remaining supply of natural resources, and it was also said that at the US seminar the speaker had attended, a member of the audience had shouted out the we should limit India and China's oil consumption, although the current the US fuel consumption far exceeds both these nations combined yet the population of China and India are many times greater that US Population.

I think the future of cars has to be eclectic cars and not the Prius as it still requires gas to power it, the Honda Clarity with the hydrogen engine is I think the future for everyday cars, and this technology will save the Porsches, Astons, Bentley's and classic cars etc... Governments should be pressuring car manufacturers to produce more fuel efficient and environmentally friendly vehicles, and oil companies to make more investments into less damaging fuel or alternatives such as hydrogen pumps at filling stations.

As for the Global warming problem, it's obviously happening whether its as a result of natural evolution or human interference though it would be naive and foolish to ignore it.



Post #655586
Posted Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:06 AM
Grasshopper

GrasshopperGrasshopperGrasshopperGrasshopperGrasshopperGrasshopperGrasshopperGrasshopper

Group: General Forum Members
Last Login: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:04 AM
Points: 21, Visits: 61
Maybe Al didnt "invent" it, but he has surely found it to be a vehicle to fatten his wallet. "The Earth has a fever!" -- oh please. Clean up pollution and go solar/wind, etc - yes. Bit NOT for this fake global warming crap. Humans are mere specs on this planet, the Earth will shake us off of her like an ant on an elephant, if she feels like it at any time.
Post #655587
Posted Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:10 AM
Grasshopper

GrasshopperGrasshopperGrasshopperGrasshopperGrasshopperGrasshopperGrasshopperGrasshopper

Group: General Forum Members
Last Login: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:04 AM
Points: 21, Visits: 61
cgreen (2/12/2009)
I read about global warming in book about the solar system from the 70s - I don't think Al Gore invented it!


the predicted rate of change is about 50 times faster than the warming which brought an end to the last major ice age which, up to that point, was itself the largest sustained natural change in climate for the past 100 000 years

Doesn't seem too "normal" for me, if we look at the last 100,000 years anyway...

Whether carbon credits is a good idea or not, it doesn't stop the fact that the world is warming up. I'm going to try and do my bit anyway (insulate my house, not make unnecessary journeys in my car, recycle stuff), even if you can't be bothered ;)


I also read about global cooling in the 1970's. In fact, it was drilling into our brains by our wonderful public schools. Do what you wish, if it make you feel good because like religion - what you do is your business. Dont force me to "believe" or anyone else to.. There are way too many variables. They cant predict whether its going to rain tomorrow with any level of accuracy. These are scientists who want nothing more than more grant money for their careers. As software developers, we should be as worried about outsourcing and the way we are treated by corporate America as much as these people are worried about their own careers.
Post #655591
Posted Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:13 AM
Grasshopper

GrasshopperGrasshopperGrasshopperGrasshopperGrasshopperGrasshopperGrasshopperGrasshopper

Group: General Forum Members
Last Login: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 3:24 AM
Points: 24, Visits: 114
*wonders* is global warming the earth's way of shaking us off?

The earth will be here for billions of years global warming or no. I am merely concerned for your/other people's offspring.
Post #655596
Posted Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:23 AM
Valued Member

Valued MemberValued MemberValued MemberValued MemberValued MemberValued MemberValued MemberValued Member

Group: General Forum Members
Last Login: Friday, November 14, 2014 8:57 AM
Points: 57, Visits: 268
As this has gone from a 'Business Intelligence' debate to a 'Climate Change Debate' I'll put in a view.

I agree with the previous comment of "No we should get our selves off dirty burning fuels just because the same reason you want a clean house. Nice to come home too. "

Driving is only hampered by pollution, if you go the way your president is aiming then Driving loses its big bad Devil and all (in that limited scope) is cool.

After visiting various Asian Capitals (and LA ) anything that gets rid of the smog has got to be good..

As for the Business Intelligence Debate, surely if you have two options and one is not going to cause any damage in its implementation whether it is evidentially supported or not (and saves resources and money).. why not give it a blast??
Post #655606
Posted Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:30 AM
Grasshopper

GrasshopperGrasshopperGrasshopperGrasshopperGrasshopperGrasshopperGrasshopperGrasshopper

Group: General Forum Members
Last Login: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:04 AM
Points: 21, Visits: 61
Yes, I found that back in 2007 here too:
http://www.discussglobalwarming.com/blog/2007/03/06/the-great-global-warming-swindle-to-air-on-uks-channel-4/

The sun is our primary source of climate issues. I'd like to see these arrogant people consider tweaking the sun's output. ;)


cgreen (2/12/2009)
Here in the UK, the most prominant documentary we have seen arguing the case against global warming and which relied heavily on the sunspot argument was shown on channel 4 in 2007

However, 37 senior scientists reported the makers of this documentary reported to Ofcom (the regulatory body) for falsifying the data for graphs and misrepresenting scientists.
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.politics.bush/2007-05/msg00886.html

However, they were not able to prosecute because only a news programme is required to be 'factual'.

I would have thought there would be more political pressure AGAINST global warming as the government is lobbied by companies that don't want to clean up after themselves or spend money on lower carbon technolgies... I read the New Scientist every week and nearly all the studies show that global warming is real and is happening. Are you saying that the scientist that publish in this magazine are part of some government plot????

Unfortunately, good science is taking a back seat to--no, getting stuffed into the trunk--when it comes to the political agendas being promulgated by devotees of global capitalism.

Your children (if you have any - not planning on having any myself so I don't really have any agenda here) are going to bear the brunt of our inactions. Is it enough to just hope global warming isn't happening or should we try to do what we can to minimise it's effects now before various tipping points are reached which will cause warming costing future generations $$$$$$$$$$ (or ££££££££££)?

We spend billions on insurance, would it not be prudent (as a kind of insurance for future generations) to spend some cash on keeping the planet hospitable and able to provide food?

Just some thoughts anyway...
Post #655614
Posted Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:30 AM
Grasshopper

GrasshopperGrasshopperGrasshopperGrasshopperGrasshopperGrasshopperGrasshopperGrasshopper

Group: General Forum Members
Last Login: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:04 AM
Points: 21, Visits: 61
cgreen (2/12/2009)
*wonders* is global warming the earth's way of shaking us off?

The earth will be here for billions of years global warming or no. I am merely concerned for your/other people's offspring.


We'll adapt. If we dont, then we move on into history. It time to stop play God and just realize this is not in our hands. We cant tweak the climate any more than we could move the moon at any time just to produce the tides we want, when we want. It arrogant to think we could. Clean the environment? Yes. Do it under the disguise of this so-called "global warming", no way.
Post #655617
« Prev Topic | Next Topic »

Add to briefcase ««12345»»»

Permissions Expand / Collapse