February 11, 2009 at 9:43 pm
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February 12, 2009 at 1:43 am
I know this probably isn't going to make you get rid of your Porsche but there's a significant body of evidence to suggest that global warming is happening and that we are the cause of it. Quote from New Scientist article:
The "best" warming rate predicted by the IPCC study is 0.2 °C per decade. To put that in perspective, the predicted rate of change is about 50 times faster than the warming which brought an end to the last major ice age which, up to that point, was itself the largest sustained natural change in climate for the past 100 000 years.
February 12, 2009 at 2:02 am
A figure I've heard for the UK is that half of our carbon emissions are as a result of heating - domestic, industrial and commercial.
So, insulate well, double/triple glaze, turn down the thermostat - and drive that Porsche!
February 12, 2009 at 3:42 am
Good BI will do little to help us get to the truth, because the truth doesn't matter very much. The IPCC is not a scientific organization, it is a political organization.
Something as important as the future of mankind oughtn't be relegated to politics. Unfortunately, good science is taking a back seat to--no, getting stuffed into the trunk--when it comes to the political agendas being promulgated by devotees of global warming.
Here are two interesting articles. The first is a review of the scientific literature:
Environmental Effects of Increased Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide
http://www.michaelcrichton.com/speech-ourenvironmentalfuture.html
The next is by the late, great scientist, physician, author, & producer Michael Crichton:
The Case for Skepticism on Global Warming
http://www.petitionproject.org/gwdatabase/GW_Article/GWReview_OISM600.pdf
I invite you to print it in color & read it carefully. In this article, Crichton asks:
Is global warming happening?
Is it anthropogenic?
Can we do anything about it?
Should we?
The abstract: Crichton's "detailed explanation of why he criticizes global warming scenarios. Using published UN data, he reviews why claims for catastrophic warming arouse doubt; why reducing CO2 is vastly more difficult than we are being told; and why we are morally unjustified to spend vast sums on this speculative issue when around the world people are dying of starvation and disease."
To those who think the global financial crisis is serious, or those in the US who are aware of the pending Social Security & Medicare crises, all three combined pale in comparison to the cost of remediating so-called global warming.
February 12, 2009 at 4:29 am
Here in the UK, the most prominant documentary we have seen arguing the case against global warming and which relied heavily on the sunspot argument was shown on channel 4 in 2007
However, 37 senior scientists reported the makers of this documentary reported to Ofcom (the regulatory body) for falsifying the data for graphs and misrepresenting scientists.
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.politics.bush/2007-05/msg00886.html
However, they were not able to prosecute because only a news programme is required to be 'factual'.
I would have thought there would be more political pressure AGAINST global warming as the government is lobbied by companies that don't want to clean up after themselves or spend money on lower carbon technolgies... I read the New Scientist every week and nearly all the studies show that global warming is real and is happening. Are you saying that the scientist that publish in this magazine are part of some government plot????
Unfortunately, good science is taking a back seat to--no, getting stuffed into the trunk--when it comes to the political agendas being promulgated by devotees of global capitalism.
Your children (if you have any - not planning on having any myself so I don't really have any agenda here) are going to bear the brunt of our inactions. Is it enough to just hope global warming isn't happening or should we try to do what we can to minimise it's effects now before various tipping points are reached which will cause warming costing future generations $$$$$$$$$$ (or ££££££££££)?
We spend billions on insurance, would it not be prudent (as a kind of insurance for future generations) to spend some cash on keeping the planet hospitable and able to provide food?
Just some thoughts anyway...
February 12, 2009 at 4:34 am
Global warming is a hoax that is conceived and perpetuated by Al Gore, and his cronies, to advance his wallet via this "carbon credits" scam. That inconvenient truth movie was completely debunked. The planet is 4 billion years old. Thats a huge dataset that no one has access to. No one knows what "normal" is because there is no such thing as normal. Records kept for the last 150 years cant determine "normal", against 4 billion years of existence. Please. Anyone with any sort of intelligence can read sites like:
http://www.discussglobalwarming.com/blog
and figure out that what these people are trying to do is create an entirely new industry with the sole purpose of shifting wealth for their own cause. Is the climate changing, yes. It always changes. Its fluid. Are WE causing it? It would be arrogant to believe that we have any impact on the global climate AND even worse, that we could tweak it. Its not a simple thermostat that some instant gratification teenager wants the AC turned up because he's too warm or anything like that. Lets use our brains.
February 12, 2009 at 4:34 am
(Apologies for the long post.)
The UN global warming report was published with 52 scientists signing on. In 2007 over 400 scientists refuted it. In 2008 that number has grown to over 650.
This one caught my eye. Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” - UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist.
Here's in interesting clip from C. Hall (SUNY-Syracuse prof, after attending the 33rd International Geology Conf in Norway).
"I could not at first figure out why there was so much hostility between the two climate groups. At first I thought it empiricists vs modelers, although each group was somewhat mixed. Then I concluded that it is the geologists, used to studying constant climate change over very long time periods of Earth's history, who think that basically the climate of the earth is always changing due to various forcings, and what's the big deal now? The IPCCers respond that the Earth has never seen CO2 levels such as we are headed for and that the CO2 changes produce a strong enough signal to change the climate. And on and on. John Holdren has recently prepared a point by point response to the anti IPCCers which I will try to send out. Then we can expect a rebuttal to that and so on."
Now, to address the people that are readying their retorts that I don't agree with their particular views on this subject, hold off. 1) this is supposed to be about the consciousness of Porsche. 2) I will often include arguments from both sides of an issue, don't be goaded into thinking one way or another.
So, Steve, YOU have to decide your actions and inactions. Is the Porsche "right"? IMHO, I think you can safely say yes. After all, how much are you driving it? You appear to have significant remediations, to offset the Porsche. You're not tooling around the country in a motorcade of Escalades, etc.
I also think Steve and his liked minded folks will find this interesting: http://www.theoildrum.com/tag/passive_solar_series
Along with the discussion about a passive solar house 20 miles north of Milwaukee, Wisconsin. (About 10 posts down.) http://campfire.theoildrum.com/node/4947#comments_top
I've been contemplating the construction of my retirement home. I've got a chunk of land in central New Hampshire, on the side of knoll. I'm working on the idea of building into the side of a hill, with massive (12") double concrete walls. Using the air space between for an insulating layer. Convection of warm air between the walls, stored in a heat sink (drums filled with water & gravel) in a lower level. Closed loop circulating pump to run water to the roof for heat collection during the day.
I have other ideas, but I'm very tired and need to move on. (Production issue, have been here since 3am.) Thanks for your time.
Honor Super Omnia-
Jason Miller
February 12, 2009 at 4:35 am
Global warming is a hoax that is conceived and perpetuated by Al Gore, and his cronies, to advance his wallet via this "carbon credits" scam. That inconvenient truth movie was completely debunked. The planet is 4 billion years old. Thats a huge dataset that no one has access to. No one knows what "normal" is because there is no such thing as normal. Records kept for the last 150 years cant determine "normal", against 4 billion years of existence. Please. Anyone with any sort of intelligence can read sites like:
http://www.discussglobalwarming.com/blog
and figure out that what these people are trying to do is create an entirely new industry with the sole purpose of shifting wealth for their own cause. Is the climate changing, yes. It always changes. Its fluid. Are WE causing it? It would be arrogant to believe that we have any impact on the global climate AND even worse, that we could tweak it. Its not a simple thermostat that some instant gratification teenager wants the AC turned up because he's too warm or anything like that. Lets use our brains.
February 12, 2009 at 4:44 am
I read about global warming in book about the solar system from the 70s - I don't think Al Gore invented it!
the predicted rate of change is about 50 times faster than the warming which brought an end to the last major ice age which, up to that point, was itself the largest sustained natural change in climate for the past 100 000 years
Doesn't seem too "normal" for me, if we look at the last 100,000 years anyway...
Whether carbon credits is a good idea or not, it doesn't stop the fact that the world is warming up. I'm going to try and do my bit anyway (insulate my house, not make unnecessary journeys in my car, recycle stuff), even if you can't be bothered 😉
February 12, 2009 at 4:46 am
Actually in the 70s it was global cooling that was in the headlines not global warming.
These guys can't even predict how much rain will fall in NYC next month. Which rain and snow have a great deal to do with the temprature of the planet as well. When you say 1 to 3 inches that is a huge diffrence.
It is just a power grab by the government.
The planet must heated up before. New York isn't under a glacier anymore.
If global warming was also a real concern. Then why are we building roads. concrete capture heat very well.
No we should get our selves off dirty burning fuels just because the same reason you want a clean house. Nice to come home too.
February 12, 2009 at 4:49 am
First off, according to the definition of an ice age, we're still in one. Off the top of my head, it's defined as when the earth has polar ice caps.
Now, I agree that our recklessness with carbon emissions, etc., is having an affect on the earth, but I think it's far too premature to worry so soon - the difference they've made is too small to base any predictions on.
It's also worth pointing out that cow flatulence causes considerably more ozone problems than cars/industry. It's still our fault; after all, us humans decided to farm them to the levels that release all that methane into the atmosphere...
We *should* try to limit the polution emitted, but let's not get hung up on removing it altogether.
February 12, 2009 at 4:57 am
The point is though that the sooner we do something, the less it will cost and the smaller the number of people that die or get displaced as a result.
In the documentary they argue that CO2 emissions and temperatures fluctuated wildly in the past and humans still survived. Ancient maps have been found that show Antarctica with no ice and trees etc. which would have meant much higher sea levels. But in the past, people would have been more nomadic and able to move and adapt easier because there were fewer people and no country borders to prevent them moving from one area to another if sea levels rose. Rising sea levels today would have a vastly greater impact - it would be far easier to move a few people, tents and goats but much harder to move the cities of London, New York or everyone in Bangladesh for example.
February 12, 2009 at 5:23 am
And through all of the articles I've read on Climate change, I don't recall any of them mentioning the affect that the moving magnetic poles can introduce.
The magnetic poleS, yes there are multiple poles, shift over time. The English seamen of the 18 century maintained detailed logs showing the pole deflections. This can be plotted to show the poles moving, multiple poles forming/disappearing, etc.
What I found most interesting is the speed at which they move, appear, disappear, reappear. I recall it only takes 100-200 years.
gOD, where's my coffee... :doze:
Honor Super Omnia-
Jason Miller
February 12, 2009 at 6:05 am
I recently attended a Investment outlook seminar (I have to being a Member Nominated Trustee of the company pension scheme), one of the speakers had an interesting view on the earths natural resources, he said he'd recently been in the US and had mentioned that oil reserves were low, and finding and drilling for new oil was becoming more difficult, meaning it costs more to drill and extract the oil meaning we could soon be looking at paying $200+ per barrel and fuel prices will rise dramatically.
So Steve, driving your Porsche may soon become a very expensive recreational treat!
He also mentioned that the development of China and India will affect the remaining supply of natural resources, and it was also said that at the US seminar the speaker had attended, a member of the audience had shouted out the we should limit India and China's oil consumption, although the current the US fuel consumption far exceeds both these nations combined yet the population of China and India are many times greater that US Population.
I think the future of cars has to be eclectic cars and not the Prius as it still requires gas to power it, the Honda Clarity with the hydrogen engine is I think the future for everyday cars, and this technology will save the Porsches, Astons, Bentley's and classic cars etc... Governments should be pressuring car manufacturers to produce more fuel efficient and environmentally friendly vehicles, and oil companies to make more investments into less damaging fuel or alternatives such as hydrogen pumps at filling stations.
As for the Global warming problem, it's obviously happening whether its as a result of natural evolution or human interference though it would be naive and foolish to ignore it.
February 12, 2009 at 6:06 am
Maybe Al didnt "invent" it, but he has surely found it to be a vehicle to fatten his wallet. "The Earth has a fever!" -- oh please. Clean up pollution and go solar/wind, etc - yes. Bit NOT for this fake global warming crap. Humans are mere specs on this planet, the Earth will shake us off of her like an ant on an elephant, if she feels like it at any time.
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