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Posted Saturday, July 19, 2014 6:53 PM


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Eirikur Eiriksson (7/18/2014)
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Why do I feel that WC is heading down a deep dark hole??

Must admit that I fear the same, almost like there is no comprehention what so ever.

Me too.

I've written comments on his last three posts, but each of those three posts individually is a pretty clear indication of lack of comprehension and heading for disaster (as well as of being completely cluesless about what he needs to provide in order to enable anyone to help him). If his future posts in that thread are similar I will leave him to it, there's nothing I can do to help someone who is giving every indication of not even trying to understand.

edit: BTW, Eirikur, I was pretty glad you joined in on that thread - I was slowly going crazy wondering whether I would be able to retain my cool before you stepped in. At one point he even had me thinking I had got things wrong when he claimed that something didn't work, so that I posted a wrong correction to one of my posts (utterly wrong, as the original post was right). Interestingly enough he didn't follow the false trail that laid out - so he's not 100% dim.


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Conference done, vacation beginning.

Can some nice people please keep an eye on corruption theads and provide useful and safe advice? I might drop in occasionally to post photos, but that'll probably be all.

Bits was awesome. Photos of that will follow once I get them cleaned up (unblured in some cases)



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Posted Sunday, July 20, 2014 6:20 AM


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Threadizens!

Make sure we talk if you're Telford this week. The Red Gat Army is travelling up there this afternoon.


Would that be this bunch?



That looks eerily like them - freaky!!!


Slightly more facial hair than most of them sport, but basically, yeah, that's it.


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Intervention here someone please: http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1594401-2799-1.aspx


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Conference done, vacation beginning.

Can some nice people please keep an eye on corruption theads and provide useful and safe advice? I might drop in occasionally to post photos, but that'll probably be all.

Bits was awesome. Photos of that will follow once I get them cleaned up (unblured in some cases)


Gail, I haven't had a chance to check the ones I took on Saturday. Did they come out alright?

Indeed Bits was a blast.
Back to normality now, whatever that is!

Good to see / hug (many many hugs) you again.
also glad you finally got to meet Steph Locke.

Have a fantastic break, hopefully the weather will hold out for most of it.

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Posted Monday, July 21, 2014 5:43 AM


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Sadly I will not. I need to find a way to get to one though. It is a large chunk of change for me to have to fork over, I know my company won't shell out that kind of money for me to go.


That's where volunteerism pays off. Volunteer at your local PASS Chapter (start one if you don't have one nearby) or for the Summit Program Committee and you have a good opportunity to get a decent discount on registration. Then get someone to split a room with you and it really isn't that expensive. I attended last year's Summit on my own dime and it cost me like $600 because of being a PASS volunteer & finding someone to bunk with. I also don't drink so that saves me a ton of money as well.


Winner Winner on that one.

There are some that will probably double their cost due to the amount they will drink during the week.


Good god, how much is the beer there?!


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Sadly I will not. I need to find a way to get to one though. It is a large chunk of change for me to have to fork over, I know my company won't shell out that kind of money for me to go.


That's where volunteerism pays off. Volunteer at your local PASS Chapter (start one if you don't have one nearby) or for the Summit Program Committee and you have a good opportunity to get a decent discount on registration. Then get someone to split a room with you and it really isn't that expensive. I attended last year's Summit on my own dime and it cost me like $600 because of being a PASS volunteer & finding someone to bunk with. I also don't drink so that saves me a ton of money as well.


Winner Winner on that one.

There are some that will probably double their cost due to the amount they will drink during the week.


Good god, how much is the beer there?!


I think a lot of it boils down to quantity and liqueur vs. beer.




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I swear it feels like 3 months experience 36 times. All it takes is setting up a sandbox and working through it to solve the problem. How does he plan on supporting this if he can't even figure it out himself? Spoon feeding someone can only take them so far. At some point they have to start figuring things out themselves and ask questions when they run into more specific issues rather than questions that are so wide open.


I think this is the case with the majority of people in many jobs. They aren't learning more and more across a year or two. They get in a pattern across a few months and don't learn much more.







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I think encryption should be done in the app, not the database. I think Jeff mentioned it in that thread, that if encryption is happening in the database it means everything is being passed over the wire in clear text. Just something I'd rather see not happen. The only issue is if you do reporting using another tool and have to work out decrypting those values in the reporting tool (SSRS even).

Doing decryption in the database doesn't necessarily mean that stuff on the wire is in plaintext. In a lot of systems (including some outdated versions of Windows) it's possible to have an encryption layer in the comms stack immediately above transport, so that everything on the wire - even stuff not encrypted in storage - is encrypted. I don't know whether current versions of windows support this, but I imagine they do. A lot of people believe that the risk of data bing intercepted on the wire is much higher than the risk of someone gaining access to data on storage media and insist on everything being encrypted on the wire whether it's encrypted in strorage or not. And third party apps are often a nightmare from the point of view of encryption in the app. I guess encryption in the app is sometimes better than encryption in teh db, but not very often.


Could be in both. don't forget that if I encrypt in the app only, and I make another app, or want to somehow share keys across groups of people, I might create more holes. Potentially I also disclose information outside of a central location/site. I potentially also grow the number of people that might have access to keys.

At times I want encryption in the db, possibly in addition to app encryption. As Tom mentioned, I could SSL/IPSec to the db, have data inserted and encrypted there, without depending on any application to do this well.







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I swear it feels like 3 months experience 36 times. All it takes is setting up a sandbox and working through it to solve the problem. How does he plan on supporting this if he can't even figure it out himself? Spoon feeding someone can only take them so far. At some point they have to start figuring things out themselves and ask questions when they run into more specific issues rather than questions that are so wide open.


I think this is the case with the majority of people in many jobs. They aren't learning more and more across a year or two. They get in a pattern across a few months and don't learn much more.


I saw a good article about this today. They talked about how "being able to get it" is an inherent thing instead of something you can learn. (i.e. either you're predisposed to understanding SQL Server or you're not) and how that's complete nonsense. As a result, many people don't try to learn or are convinced they can't. In addition, this attitude keeps companies from offering real training and development. People start to figure they know what they know and they'd better hang onto that.


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