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Posted Friday, January 10, 2014 6:03 AM


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Ed Wagner (1/10/2014)
I've met people like that. Eventually, she should figure out that if things are quieter all around her, she should lower her own volume. If she doesn't get it, I don't see any problem with having words with her, but you can only do it as a co-worker, not as a boss. It may be that she doesn't even realize that she's loud.


It's not that she's particularly loud in general, it's that in discussions with the other grads (they're doing a business analysis exercise today), she's talking over the others in her 'team' and increasing volume when she disagrees with one of the others.

I'm guilty of doing it in the past. I try not to any longer. (Emphasis 'try' )



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Posted Friday, January 10, 2014 6:21 AM


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Yay, a gaggle of new graduates at the office (new employees, busy with our basic training course) and one near me seems to think that higher volume makes her opinion more correct. :-(

Not even in my team, so I can't have words with them.

I've met people like that. Eventually, she should figure out that if things are quieter all around her, she should lower her own volume. If she doesn't get it, I don't see any problem with having words with her, but you can only do it as a co-worker, not as a boss. It may be that she doesn't even realize that she's loud.


Interesting when you get 2 like that in a room, and they both are wrong.
Hopefully she's a quick learner.
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Posted Friday, January 10, 2014 6:25 AM
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Yay, a gaggle of new graduates at the office (new employees, busy with our basic training course) and one near me seems to think that higher volume makes her opinion more correct. :-(

Not even in my team, so I can't have words with them.

I've met people like that. Eventually, she should figure out that if things are quieter all around her, she should lower her own volume. If she doesn't get it, I don't see any problem with having words with her, but you can only do it as a co-worker, not as a boss. It may be that she doesn't even realize that she's loud.


Interesting when you get 2 like that in a room, and they both are wrong.
Hopefully she's a quick learner.


There is a philosophical question, often kicked around our office, about what happens when two people who know everything have an argument.



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Posted Friday, January 10, 2014 6:32 AM
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I like to think I've gotten better at both of these items with age. Knowing everything and talking over other people is something that many people struggle with at one point or another during their lives. With wisdom comes patience and with knowledge comes humility.


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Posted Friday, January 10, 2014 6:45 AM


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Weather update, as Grant has discovered it gets dark here very quickly, that and the rain and wind seems to be the story of the week in not so sunny Bracknell.


Grant must be slackin'... normally, he can fix a rainy day.


Too busy, and there are pubs.


If the weather were any nicer I'd suggest you head west to Swindon tomorrow to loose a few off. As it is, even our champion Nige will struggle with 140#. Maybe next time.


You have to stop teasing me. I'm flying out tomorrow.

Damn, damn, damn, damn.


Damn shame as well, if you were near Swindon we could of met up


You'll need to find a decent pub in Swindon first

Ture - but if you headed to Bassett or Wanborough, it wouldn't be as bad


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Posted Friday, January 10, 2014 6:55 AM


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BWFC (1/10/2014)
There is a philosophical question, often kicked around our office, about what happens when two people who know everything have an argument.


I'm sure I've seen that on gaming forums. 10+ page arguments that degrade into insults and name calling.



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Weather update, as Grant has discovered it gets dark here very quickly, that and the rain and wind seems to be the story of the week in not so sunny Bracknell.


Grant must be slackin'... normally, he can fix a rainy day.


Too busy, and there are pubs.


If the weather were any nicer I'd suggest you head west to Swindon tomorrow to loose a few off. As it is, even our champion Nige will struggle with 140#. Maybe next time.


You have to stop teasing me. I'm flying out tomorrow.

Damn, damn, damn, damn.


Damn shame as well, if you were near Swindon we could of met up


You'll need to find a decent pub in Swindon first

Ture - but if you headed to Bassett or Wanborough, it wouldn't be as bad


Bassett's way nicer than Swindon and has two or three great little pubs. I can't forget what they're called, I've never left Bassett in a straight line.


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There is a philosophical question, often kicked around our office, about what happens when two people who know everything have an argument.


I'm sure I've seen that on gaming forums. 10+ page arguments that degrade into insults and name calling.


It's never got as bad as outright insults, more muttering under breath, glaring across desks and, in extreme cases, being struck off the brewing-up-for list.



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There is a philosophical question, often kicked around our office, about what happens when two people who know everything have an argument.


It's ironic... it they argue like that, then they don't actually know everything because they'd know how to avoid such non-productive and annoying events. Typically, one person is a ring knocker that can't see the light of day but still "knows it all" and the other person is actually someone who's trying to stick to the facts and trying to prevent the rink knocker's ideas from propagating as an in-house "best practice". I believe Gail refers to such "best practices" as "howlers".


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Jeff Moden (1/10/2014)
I believe Gail refers to such "best practices" as "howlers".


Not me. 'Howlers' was the title for a series of Simple-Talk articles.



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