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Starting tomorrow and running through Sunday is Readercon in Burlington, MA just outside Boston. This is a local SF convention that I'm helping run this year. Wow this is a lot of work. : -) Wish me luck! If anyone's in the area, stop in. Thursday night is free!
Readercon

This con focuses on the literary side of SF, so we don't do much on movies and tv and we don't get many people in costumes, but it is still a lot of fun.

We decided we wanted a welcome banner this year, so I designed an 8' wide banner and ordered it on-line. Then I tried to get a stand, they're all like $250! I was trying to figure out how to build one. I can't weld, so metal seemed wobbly and I thought a wooden one would look like crap, then my wife Emily had a brilliant idea: PVC pipe! Easy to put together and take apart again, clean-looking and cheap! Just one of the fun bits of running a con. : -)


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Stefan Krzywicki (7/10/2013)
Starting tomorrow and running through Sunday is Readercon in Burlington, MA just outside Boston. This is a local SF convention that I'm helping run this year. Wow this is a lot of work. : -) Wish me luck! If anyone's in the area, stop in. Thursday night is free!
Readercon

This con focuses on the literary side of SF, so we don't do much on movies and tv and we don't get many people in costumes, but it is still a lot of fun.

We decided we wanted a welcome banner this year, so I designed an 8' wide banner and ordered it on-line. Then I tried to get a stand, they're all like $250! I was trying to figure out how to build one. I can't weld, so metal seemed wobbly and I thought a wooden one would look like crap, then my wife Emily had a brilliant idea: PVC pipe! Easy to put together and take apart again, clean-looking and cheap! Just one of the fun bits of running a con. : -)


Wow, thanks for this! It's been years since I've attended a con - they just got too big and...too big! Of course, I can't go this year, but now that it's on my radar, I will bookmark the site and check it out next year. Is it always in Burlington? Because that's really convenient!!

Thanks again --

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Starting tomorrow and running through Sunday is Readercon in Burlington, MA just outside Boston. This is a local SF convention that I'm helping run this year. Wow this is a lot of work. : -) Wish me luck! If anyone's in the area, stop in. Thursday night is free!
Readercon

This con focuses on the literary side of SF, so we don't do much on movies and tv and we don't get many people in costumes, but it is still a lot of fun.

We decided we wanted a welcome banner this year, so I designed an 8' wide banner and ordered it on-line. Then I tried to get a stand, they're all like $250! I was trying to figure out how to build one. I can't weld, so metal seemed wobbly and I thought a wooden one would look like crap, then my wife Emily had a brilliant idea: PVC pipe! Easy to put together and take apart again, clean-looking and cheap! Just one of the fun bits of running a con. : -)


Wow, thanks for this! It's been years since I've attended a con - they just got too big and...too big! Of course, I can't go this year, but now that it's on my radar, I will bookmark the site and check it out next year. Is it always in Burlington? Because that's really convenient!!

Thanks again --


Donna


It is always in Burlington. You'll probably find this convention isn't "too big" there's around 800 people and 6 rooms of programming.
Sorry you can't make it this year. Thursday night is always free if you have the time!


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The smiley means: "OK you got me, I should've reread my sentence and cought that mistake. But since I only check for typos - my grammer is normally better than 90% of the non-native English speakers on forums like these - I usually don't catch subtle grammar mistakes. So I instead I play the 'Hey I know nothing, I'm from Barcelona' card." All in one little smiley

I thought it did, but I couldn't admit that while pretending it didn't, could I?

But I don't think it's a grammar mistake. I see both "in order to do maintenance" and "for maintenance" as adverb phrases (specifically adverbs of purpose) so they are grammatically the same. I think there's an issue of semantics as opposed to of grammar:


The sentence is "It was closed the week we were there for maintenance."

The way I was taught English is the prepositional phrase modifies the phrase right before it. So the words "for maintenance" modifies "we were there" as opposed to the phrase "It was closed".

This is also the way I read it as both an author and an editor. So no, it's not really symantics here so much as an interpretation of American English grammar rules. Though I do admit that British English grammar rules may be different in regards to modification of nouns, verbs, and other phrases.

What I was talking about was the difference in the implications of the two phrases "om onderhoud te doen" and "voor onderhoud", which are both adverb phrases so the difference isn't one caused by grammar. I actually agree with you about the grammar rule (and I think Koen does too, as he says that his word order could cause confusion in Dutch, which suggests the rule is the same in Dutch).

The grammar rule about proximity (could be immediately following instead of immediately preceding - think of a sentence like "On Saturday we were there, on Friday we were not") is really the same in British English and American English. But the proximity rule is not 100% reliable, partly because people are often careless about how they phrase things, and partly because it can be modified by punctuation (ie by pauses and/or stress changes in spoken English). In the sentence "It was closed the week we were there - for maintenance" with a longish pause after "there", heavy stress on "maintenance", and "for" so unstressed as to verge on being indistinct it would be pretty clear that "for maintenance" qualified "was closed", not "were there"; that's sloppy grammar, of course, whether in BR En or in US EN, probably caused by someone saying " it was closed the week when we were there" and deciding to say why it was closed too late to say that bit in the grammatically correct place. Despite being ungrammatical, when said with that pause and stress the meaning is pretty clear, in both BR EN and in US EN I think, and is in conflict with grammar. I don't get the impression that Americans are any less likely than Brits to start talking before they have completely worked out how to structure what they are going to say, I guess they could be superhumanly restrained, never open the mouth too quickly, but going by what I've heard them saying I think that's about as likely as that Brits are superhuman, which I know to be false; besides, surely after George W Bush's presidency everyone in the world knows that Americans can screw up vocabulary and grammar as thoroughly as can Brits.


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. . . I don't get the impression that Americans are any less likely than Brits to start talking before they have completely worked out how to structure what they are going to say, I guess they could be superhumanly restrained, never open the mouth too quickly, but going by what I've heard them saying I think that's about as likely as that Brits are superhuman, which I know to be false; . . .

That's why there is acknowledged and respected difference between spoken and written English, both UK and US.
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The way I was taught English ...


Hang on... you actually paid attention?


Not like I had a choice (see below).

Stefan Krzywicki (7/10/2013)

I used to love sentence diagramming. I think it led to my love of design schematics.


Our school district made us do sentence diagramming every freakin' year. EVERY year.


Wow. I think we only did it one year.


Must be one of those "new school" things... I don't recall ever doing this. (At least under this name.)


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The way I was taught English ...


Hang on... you actually paid attention?


Not like I had a choice (see below).

Stefan Krzywicki (7/10/2013)

I used to love sentence diagramming. I think it led to my love of design schematics.


Our school district made us do sentence diagramming every freakin' year. EVERY year.


Wow. I think we only did it one year.


Must be one of those "new school" things... I don't recall ever doing this. (At least under this name.)


I don't know. I know my mom taught this back in the 60s & 70s for HS.


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The way I was taught English ...


Hang on... you actually paid attention?


Not like I had a choice (see below).

Stefan Krzywicki (7/10/2013)

I used to love sentence diagramming. I think it led to my love of design schematics.


Our school district made us do sentence diagramming every freakin' year. EVERY year.


Wow. I think we only did it one year.


Must be one of those "new school" things... I don't recall ever doing this. (At least under this name.)

Well, fairly new, sentence diagrams have only been around for a little bit over one and a third centuries.

I suspect that in most places they have been long abandoned in favour of parse trees; certainly I saw parse trees at school about 60 years ago, and didn't see sentence trees until about 20 years later - which suggests to me that parse trees were by then far more common. I'm surprised Brandie had to do it (and every year) - she's younger than me; perhaps her school was a bit old-fashioned, or perhaps education in that part of the USA was holding onto older ways of doing things. I guess no-one gets it in school any more, both because parse trees are a much better representation of the structure of sentences and phrases, so if anyone wanted to teach analysis of syntactic and grammatical structure they would use them instead of sentence diagramming, and because the influence of left wing lunacy on teaching (at least in England, Wales, and most of the Anglophone bits of Scotland) has ensured that the typical school leaver doesn't know what a noun is or what a verb is, so would be utterly unable to parse or diagram a sentence.


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(help - is it politically correct to call them one language, or two?)


Technically, Flemish does not exist as a language. It is a dialect of Dutch. More specifically, there is no such thing as THE Flemish dialect, but rather a whole bunch of regional dialects. But foreigners don't really know the differences, so they call it all "Flemish", just as we call all dialects from The Netherlands "Hollands" (although Holland is just one province of The Netherlands).

In practice, you can look at "Belgian Dutch or Flemish" versus "The Netherlands Dutch" just as you do with American and British English (and in extent Canadian and Australian English). It's the same language, but pronounced differently and some words can be different (movie / film). American English is also a grouping of several "dialects". I guess people in Texas speak English differently than people in New York. At least, that's what Hollywood tells me.




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Starting tomorrow and running through Sunday is Readercon in Burlington, MA just outside Boston. This is a local SF convention that I'm helping run this year. Wow this is a lot of work. : -) Wish me luck! If anyone's in the area, stop in. Thursday night is free!
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That looks interesting. Wish I could make it.

My son just got back from Bronycon. Glad he was old enough to go without me.







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