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Posted Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:42 PM


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Amazing how some make comments when they take what others say out context. Sometimes you really do have to look at the entire quote, not just the part you wish to make a comment on.



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Lynn Pettis (5/22/2013)
...take what others say out context...just the part you wish to make a comment on.


I can't believe you'd give advice like this.


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Posted Wednesday, May 22, 2013 2:00 PM


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...take what others say out context...just the part you wish to make a comment on.


I can't believe you'd give advice like this.


Funny, and when did you want me to come out and mentor those referees?



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Posted Wednesday, May 22, 2013 2:07 PM
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In response to Patrick, it would have better phrased something like "There is a lot of discussion of this on the web. Have you not seen anything that indicates what the problems are?" which seems very much less like a snide remark.

,,, after typing in this very thread ...

Now can someone tell me what all the fuss is about? Please? I just don't understand what the difficulties are, in fact I suspect they were unreal problems dreamt up by bone-headed old dinosaurs who have forgotten how to adapt to new things.

Seriously?


The difference being that his dinosaurs comment came across as a generic reference and was not directed specificially at anyone in this thread. Whereas your comment was specifically directed at him and made about him.

What you're saying is that I was perfectly welcome to avoid mentioning my disapproval of the product so as to avoid his wide sweeping and exaggerated characterization of anybody who deems to have a complaint, right?


I didn't read Tom's post that way you did, but I did read your post the same way Brandie did.

There is nothing wrong with you expressing your disapproval of the product, but put it that way and don't personally attack someone else while doing it.

I found that I disagreed with his post, and felt it took no consideration of what I and others have complainted about. I suggested a reason for it, ie., he doesn't browse the web much. Its up to him to convince me that I'm mistaken, IF HE FEELS THE NEED.

I DID bring up his characterization of me and others as being "bone-headed old dinosaurs" as an illustration of how selectively you guys are in your characterisation of posts.
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Oh look... "I don't think that's right... " again. Anyone got a baseball bat? Or a punching bag?


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In response to Patrick, it would have better phrased something like "There is a lot of discussion of this on the web. Have you not seen anything that indicates what the problems are?" which seems very much less like a snide remark.

,,, after typing in this very thread ...

Now can someone tell me what all the fuss is about? Please? I just don't understand what the difficulties are, in fact I suspect they were unreal problems dreamt up by bone-headed old dinosaurs who have forgotten how to adapt to new things.

Seriously?


The difference being that his dinosaurs comment came across as a generic reference and was not directed specificially at anyone in this thread. Whereas your comment was specifically directed at him and made about him.

What you're saying is that I was perfectly welcome to avoid mentioning my disapproval of the product so as to avoid his wide sweeping and exaggerated characterization of anybody who deems to have a complaint, right?


I didn't read Tom's post that way you did, but I did read your post the same way Brandie did.

There is nothing wrong with you expressing your disapproval of the product, but put it that way and don't personally attack someone else while doing it.

I found that I disagreed with his post, and felt it took no consideration of what I and others have complainted about. I suggested a reason for it, ie., he doesn't browse the web much. Its up to him to convince me that I'm mistaken, IF HE FEELS THE NEED.

I DID bring up his characterization of me and others as being "bone-headed old dinosaurs" as an illustration of how selectively you guys are in your characterisation of posts.


Pulling this quote out:


Now can someone tell me what all the fuss is about? Please? I just don't understand what the difficulties are, in fact I suspect they were unreal problems dreamt up by bone-headed old dinosaurs who have forgotten how to adapt to new things.


I read this as a simple generalization and not something directed at you personally, unlike your post which was obviously directed at Tom.

The fun part of all this is that I can't seem to find the original post in which Tom was supposed to have made this comment, nor do I see any any posts from which this comment may have been deleted.

If anyone can find it a provide the url (by clinking and pasting from the message number) I would appreciate it. I have been rereading the past 200 or so posts and it is elluding me.




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If anyone can find it a provide the url (by clinking and pasting from the message number) I would appreciate it. I have been rereading the past 200 or so posts and it is elluding me.



http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/FindPost1453093.aspx
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Posted Wednesday, May 22, 2013 3:11 PM


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If anyone can find it a provide the url (by clinking and pasting from the message number) I would appreciate it. I have been rereading the past 200 or so posts and it is elluding me.



http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/FindPost1453093.aspx
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Oh look... "I don't think that's right... " again. Anyone got a baseball bat? Or a punching bag?


Don't you own a katana?



Thank you. I actually read that post several times but managed to miss the snake in the grass.



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Posted Wednesday, May 22, 2013 3:15 PM


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Oh look... "I don't think that's right... " again. Anyone got a baseball bat? Or a punching bag?


Don't you own a katana?


Yes, but it'll damage the punching bag. The offending person is a little out of my reach.



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Posted Wednesday, May 22, 2013 3:20 PM
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In response to Patrick, it would have better phrased something like "There is a lot of discussion of this on the web. Have you not seen anything that indicates what the problems are?" which seems very much less like a snide remark.

,,, after typing in this very thread ...

Now can someone tell me what all the fuss is about? Please? I just don't understand what the difficulties are, in fact I suspect they were unreal problems dreamt up by bone-headed old dinosaurs who have forgotten how to adapt to new things.

Seriously?


The difference being that his dinosaurs comment came across as a generic reference and was not directed specificially at anyone in this thread. Whereas your comment was specifically directed at him and made about him.

What you're saying is that I was perfectly welcome to avoid mentioning my disapproval of the product so as to avoid his wide sweeping and exaggerated characterization of anybody who deems to have a complaint, right?


I didn't read Tom's post that way you did, but I did read your post the same way Brandie did.

There is nothing wrong with you expressing your disapproval of the product, but put it that way and don't personally attack someone else while doing it.

I found that I disagreed with his post, and felt it took no consideration of what I and others have complainted about. I suggested a reason for it, ie., he doesn't browse the web much. Its up to him to convince me that I'm mistaken, IF HE FEELS THE NEED.

I DID bring up his characterization of me and others as being "bone-headed old dinosaurs" as an illustration of how selectively you guys are in your characterisation of posts.


Pulling this quote out:


Now can someone tell me what all the fuss is about? Please? I just don't understand what the difficulties are, in fact I suspect they were unreal problems dreamt up by bone-headed old dinosaurs who have forgotten how to adapt to new things.


I read this as a simple generalization and not something directed at you personally, unlike your post which was obviously directed at Tom.

I did indeed address Tom directly. I offered my theory that he has not read the complaints about 8. And its been a fairly common news item. Obviously the other characterization was that he dismissed all of us 8 detracters as bone headed dinosaurs, but I felt free to leave that out until Brandy started with the "attack" meme. I then referenced it as an example of dueling standards.

The fun part of all this is that I can't seem to find the original post in which Tom was supposed to have made this comment, nor do I see any any posts from which this comment may have been deleted.

http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic604325-61-3970.aspx#bm1453093
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