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Posted Friday, May 17, 2013 11:51 AM


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Grant Fritchey (5/17/2013)
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"I know the drawbacks of nolock, in our case it cannot be avoided"

Hmm...


And we have a really good reason to not run backups, to have the database in simple recovery, to never test the backups that we do run, and yeah, I can justify that 150 column heap table that is called by every query in the system...


Good, good. Carry on then.




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Posted Friday, May 17, 2013 11:56 AM


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Lynn Pettis (5/17/2013)
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And we have another winner:

After the date was changed to 2032 , scheduled jobs did run no issues. After changing the date to 2013 it doesn't .How to check the next schedule?


Really, you don't know how to check your jobs with Job Activity Monitor? Maybe it is a good thing I am going to an actual desert soon.


OMG:

Yes the next run is scheduled to 2032. How can I change things back to normal.


Start -> Run -> CMD -> date -> 01-01-2032 ?
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And we have another winner:

After the date was changed to 2032 , scheduled jobs did run no issues. After changing the date to 2013 it doesn't .How to check the next schedule?


Really, you don't know how to check your jobs with Job Activity Monitor? Maybe it is a good thing I am going to an actual desert soon.


OMG:

Yes the next run is scheduled to 2032. How can I change things back to normal.


Start -> Run -> CMD -> date -> 01-01-2032 ?


Unfortunately member servers in a domain take their time from the DC and the DCs will often take their time from a external time server, so only works for a little while.

But, you could put that into a job and run it every 10 minutes starting now.



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The Windows 7 interface is sort of there under the covers. You can switch back and forth. That aside, there are some quirks with Windows 8 (like the switching back and forth) that makes it unattractive to me.

There were also some software compatibility issues and driver issues that I have seen.

I have no desire to use the swipe or touch for a work laptop and to make this OS work well you need touch.

I don't find I have to switch back and forth much. Of course I'm happy to use windows+R to run things rather than hunt through a menu (whether the windows 8 start screen or the older text menus) and I have things I use a lot pinned to taskbar anyway.

I don't want to use touch either, but the OS works just fine for me with a mouse. In fact I hate tracker balls and the touch pads that almost all laptops incorporate as much as I hate touch screens - although I can work with any of them (including touch screens) I avoid them in favour of using a mouse whenever possible (a mouse is kind of hard when the laptop is on my lap, so it's not always possible).


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Grant Fritchey (5/17/2013)
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"I know the drawbacks of nolock, in our case it cannot be avoided"

Hmm...


And we have a really good reason to not run backups, to have the database in simple recovery, to never test the backups that we do run, and yeah, I can justify that 150 column heap table that is called by every query in the system...


And we know about those 823 errors and know they are informational and unnecessary noise to us.




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Posted Monday, May 20, 2013 6:17 AM
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Now can someone tell me what all the fuss is about? Please?

Not a big web user eh? Its not like people haven't been discussing this to death.

I'm not really sure how I should react to that.

You said you didn't know what all the fuss is about. I just assumed you didn't read IT related sites, ie., news sites, the sorts of websites that would discuss the pros and cons of particular products, like for instance windows 8.

People have indeed been discussing it to death. It appears to me to have been a discussion with much heat, little light, and far too much blind resistance to change.

Things can change for the better, things can change for the worse. Change for changes sake has its own costs, so if it doesn't bring benefits, or in windows 8's case, brings a net decrease in useability then you get all the hoopla we're seeing.

"Blind resistance to change" is simply a casual dismissal of real people and their real preferences.
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Now can someone tell me what all the fuss is about? Please?

Not a big web user eh? Its not like people haven't been discussing this to death.

I'm not really sure how I should react to that.

You said you didn't know what all the fuss is about. I just assumed you didn't read IT related sites, ie., news sites, the sorts of websites that would discuss the pros and cons of particular products, like for instance windows 8.

People have indeed been discussing it to death. It appears to me to have been a discussion with much heat, little light, and far too much blind resistance to change.

Things can change for the better, things can change for the worse. Change for changes sake has its own costs, so if it doesn't bring benefits, or in windows 8's case, brings a net decrease in useability then you get all the hoopla we're seeing.

"Blind resistance to change" is simply a casual dismissal of real people and their real preferences.


With all the newer devices out there, touch is a very common interface.
I tend to like the idea of running the same basic OS on a phone, a tablet, and a PC.
Large change, and maybe W8.1 will give you a bit more choice.
Like Tom mentions, a lot of the old shortcuts still work.

I think the biggest thing I don't like about all new devices is lack of an instructional manual.
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Now can someone tell me what all the fuss is about? Please?

Not a big web user eh? Its not like people haven't been discussing this to death.

I'm not really sure how I should react to that.

You said you didn't know what all the fuss is about. I just assumed you didn't read IT related sites, ie., news sites, the sorts of websites that would discuss the pros and cons of particular products, like for instance windows 8.

People have indeed been discussing it to death. It appears to me to have been a discussion with much heat, little light, and far too much blind resistance to change.

Things can change for the better, things can change for the worse. Change for changes sake has its own costs, so if it doesn't bring benefits, or in windows 8's case, brings a net decrease in useability then you get all the hoopla we're seeing.

"Blind resistance to change" is simply a casual dismissal of real people and their real preferences.


Too many of those real people have a real preference to dismiss any change as bad. I remember when Windows 3.1 first came out and there was a large contingent of people that hated it and didn't understand why it was needed since you could do everything in DOS. Same for Win 3.1 to Win 95, etc... Frequently it was the same people, once they get used to the new thing, it becomes the old thing and they forget they ever resisted it. Then they complain when the new old thing is replaced because that was perfect.

Add to that the fact that people love to complain, people love to exaggerate, and that you drive more page views with bad news than with good and you have a pretty good understanding of the sound and fury surrounding Vista, Windows 8, etc...

I think the other thing driving annoyance over Windows 8 is that it seemed to follow Windows 7 very quickly. People were just getting used to it when 8 came along. 7 had been billed as the fix for everything wrong with Vista and it had too little time in the sun. Too much change too fast.


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Posted Monday, May 20, 2013 7:33 AM
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Now can someone tell me what all the fuss is about? Please?

Not a big web user eh? Its not like people haven't been discussing this to death.

I'm not really sure how I should react to that.

You said you didn't know what all the fuss is about. I just assumed you didn't read IT related sites, ie., news sites, the sorts of websites that would discuss the pros and cons of particular products, like for instance windows 8.

People have indeed been discussing it to death. It appears to me to have been a discussion with much heat, little light, and far too much blind resistance to change.

Things can change for the better, things can change for the worse. Change for changes sake has its own costs, so if it doesn't bring benefits, or in windows 8's case, brings a net decrease in useability then you get all the hoopla we're seeing.

"Blind resistance to change" is simply a casual dismissal of real people and their real preferences.


With all the newer devices out there, touch is a very common interface.
I tend to like the idea of running the same basic OS on a phone, a tablet, and a PC.

The OS is a good candidate for running on many devices, witness the huge variety of devices that Linux winds up on. However, touch and the desktop are much different, even I'm surprised at how the two interfaces change in their demands for software. Microsoft does have a great deal invested in their OS and I don't blame them for leveraging this investment. But touch doesn't work well on the desktop, at least how touch is implemented right now. Simply put, its fatiguing, its a simple matter of requiring you to hold your arm up for extended periods of time. In my opinion, it isn't even debatable, and I'm not anywhere near the first person to point this out. Even Apple realises this, and at this point, they're probably the gold standard in UI on the wide variety of devices, and I'm guessing that Apple has the sort of design skills and logistical ability to put their designs to work, and thats probably the thinking and process that Microsoft is currently struggling with.

Large change, and maybe W8.1 will give you a bit more choice.
Like Tom mentions, a lot of the old shortcuts still work.

Sure, I guess the disk drive still stores stuff, and the screen still displays stuff.

I think the biggest thing I don't like about all new devices is lack of an instructional manual.

I'm thinking that the new devices aren't really the problem, Microsoft just has to realise what software goes on what device. If Microsoft really wants a common software base for all devices, Microsoft should put in mechanisms that allow the users to customize their interface, especially to make it appropriate to the device its on. Stardock shows us how easy it is to do.
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I think the other thing driving annoyance over Windows 8 is that it seemed to follow Windows 7 very quickly. People were just getting used to it when 8 came along. 7 had been billed as the fix for everything wrong with Vista and it had too little time in the sun. Too much change too fast.


Am I the only person in the world who didn't have issues with Vista and prefer it to Windows 7?

That being said, I'll be upgrading to Win 8 shortly. I just hope the Win 8 upgrade I bought allows me a free 8.1 upgrade. I'd hate to spend the money twice.


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