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Wonderful weather for the weekend while we were in Toronto...

They were letting people get their pictures taken with the Stanley Cup by Eaton Center, which I passed on as I didn't feel like standing in line for 20 minutes. Got heckled in a friendly way about wearing our Red Wings jerseys as we walked around.

Saw some cute Canuck snow bunnies, couldn't do more than look unfortunately with the wife right next to me, so I wasn't able to bring any back...


Overall, a nice weekend, despite getting a year older...
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Going into Toronto for the weekend.


Smuggle us back some maple syrup and a couple of real live Canucks if you would, please. Just for kicks and giggles. @=)
Actually I'd love some turkish delight from the farm market just south of Niagara-On-The-Lake, made out of their fruit juices from the orchard. They display it on two huge tables, it's like Willy Wonka threw up or something...


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Heh... to complicated. Just take Jason.A to work and let him entertain the kids with stories of GPO's as if they were dragons.

That's too risky; if the kids have been reading the wrong stuff they'll be seeing the GPO's as heroic dragons and the DBAs as foul thread.
Safer would be to present the sysadmins as evil sorcerors casting foul black magic spells upon the system's GPO defenses to make them betray their purpose and harm the system instead of defending it.


How many others caught the reference to the Dragon Riders of Pern??
Is the inference that Anne McCaffrey is "the wrong stuff"?
Yes, but only in the sense that if the kids had read her it would make the "evil dragons" story seem a bit odd. That of course would be a good thing, since a dragon is a man's best friend and reading McC would give the kids some defence against corruption by stories of nasty dragons because they would know that all dragons are nice, wouldn't it.
Ha! Gotcha.


Hmmm, where do the hapless dev's fit into this story? I don't want to be a villager!!! Or even one of the aristocracy! I want my own white dragon, that's what I want.

Oh, the devs are the harpers of course. What else could we imaginably be?
Thread...


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Had a good time in Fargo this weekend, at SQL Saturday #173. It's a nice town, good weather for us, and MS has a large facility there that is the Great Plains campus.

And as a treat, Bill Gates was in town and spoke in the atrium of the building we were in. I ended my session early so people could walk outside and see/hear him do a little Q&A.

As a bigger treat, as he was leaving he saw the SQL Saturday signs and asked the building manager what that was. The guy explained it quickly as a free event for SQL Server professionals, put on by the community. He told us Bill Gates said it was "cool".







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Heh... to complicated. Just take Jason.A to work and let him entertain the kids with stories of GPO's as if they were dragons.

That's too risky; if the kids have been reading the wrong stuff they'll be seeing the GPO's as heroic dragons and the DBAs as foul thread.
Safer would be to present the sysadmins as evil sorcerors casting foul black magic spells upon the system's GPO defenses to make them betray their purpose and harm the system instead of defending it.


How many others caught the reference to the Dragon Riders of Pern??
Is the inference that Anne McCaffrey is "the wrong stuff"?
Yes, but only in the sense that if the kids had read her it would make the "evil dragons" story seem a bit odd. That of course would be a good thing, since a dragon is a man's best friend and reading McC would give the kids some defence against corruption by stories of nasty dragons because they would know that all dragons are nice, wouldn't it.
Ha! Gotcha.


Hmmm, where do the hapless dev's fit into this story? I don't want to be a villager!!! Or even one of the aristocracy! I want my own white dragon, that's what I want.

Oh, the devs are the harpers of course. What else could we imaginably be?
Thread...


Oh, no way. We may be annoying in our immediately noticing when something is wrong, but I don't think that makes Thread. I'll go with Harpers. Exploring new places, living to tell the tale...yup, that's how I feel when I'm the first one in in the morning and the refreshes haven't worked...
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You know how you tell people over and over again that certain preconditions need to be met in order for a certain piece of code to run correctly?

Do that enough times and one would think one is an expert in this.

And then the code takes forever to run in a test environment and won't stop running and so you troubleshoot the crap out of it trying to make sure the indexes are correct, that you have all your columns, that the data isn't doubled or tripled up on...

And after three days of banging your head against the wall you remember "Oh, I wonder what the pre-condition looks like?" and realize "Um, crap. They didn't set it up. No wonder this thing won't stop spinning it's wheels!"

You know how that goes?

Guess what my morning (and last week) have been. #headdesk

Really I don't know why it wasn't the first thing I checked.


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You know how you tell people over and over again that certain preconditions need to be met in order for a certain piece of code to run correctly?

Do that enough times and one would think one is an expert in this.

And then the code takes forever to run in a test environment and won't stop running and so you troubleshoot the crap out of it trying to make sure the indexes are correct, that you have all your columns, that the data isn't doubled or tripled up on...

And after three days of banging your head against the wall you remember "Oh, I wonder what the pre-condition looks like?" and realize "Um, crap. They didn't set it up. No wonder this thing won't stop spinning it's wheels!"

You know how that goes?

Guess what my morning (and last week) have been. #headdesk

Really I don't know why it wasn't the first thing I checked.


Because after telling them soooo many times you trusted that they did what you told them was needed.

You need to stop being so trusting




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Posted Monday, April 29, 2013 11:08 AM


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You know how you tell people over and over again that certain preconditions need to be met in order for a certain piece of code to run correctly?

Do that enough times and one would think one is an expert in this.

And then the code takes forever to run in a test environment and won't stop running and so you troubleshoot the crap out of it trying to make sure the indexes are correct, that you have all your columns, that the data isn't doubled or tripled up on...

And after three days of banging your head against the wall you remember "Oh, I wonder what the pre-condition looks like?" and realize "Um, crap. They didn't set it up. No wonder this thing won't stop spinning it's wheels!"

You know how that goes?

Guess what my morning (and last week) have been. #headdesk

Really I don't know why it wasn't the first thing I checked.


Because after telling them soooo many times you trusted that they did what you told them was needed.

You need to stop being so trusting


Yep. There's a reason that level 1 hardware support always insists on asking you whether the computer is plugged in to a working electrical outlet, even after you tell them you have a computer science degree from Stanford and a raft of certifications. Make sure the customer has done the simple stuff right before spending time on more complicated diagnostics!


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Hey guys, asking for a bit of guru inpsection over on this thread I just created:
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1447802-392-1.aspx

Basically it's a test harness to try to figure out the most optimal approach to recreate the GREATEST function that you'll find in MySQL/Oracle. Either my google-fu failed or I haven't seen anything out there that's actually done end to end harness testing on the methods for optimization, just references to approaches.



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Posted Tuesday, April 30, 2013 7:02 AM


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Heh... to complicated. Just take Jason.A to work and let him entertain the kids with stories of GPO's as if they were dragons.

That's too risky; if the kids have been reading the wrong stuff they'll be seeing the GPO's as heroic dragons and the DBAs as foul thread.
Safer would be to present the sysadmins as evil sorcerors casting foul black magic spells upon the system's GPO defenses to make them betray their purpose and harm the system instead of defending it.


How many others caught the reference to the Dragon Riders of Pern??
Is the inference that Anne McCaffrey is "the wrong stuff"?
Yes, but only in the sense that if the kids had read her it would make the "evil dragons" story seem a bit odd. That of course would be a good thing, since a dragon is a man's best friend and reading McC would give the kids some defence against corruption by stories of nasty dragons because they would know that all dragons are nice, wouldn't it.
Ha! Gotcha.


Hmmm, where do the hapless dev's fit into this story? I don't want to be a villager!!! Or even one of the aristocracy! I want my own white dragon, that's what I want.

Oh, the devs are the harpers of course. What else could we imaginably be?
Thread...


Oh, no way. We may be annoying in our immediately noticing when something is wrong, but I don't think that makes Thread. I'll go with Harpers. Exploring new places, living to tell the tale...yup, that's how I feel when I'm the first one in in the morning and the refreshes haven't worked...
I don't know...

- invades the environment without warning - check
- modifies surroundings to suit itself - check
- seeks to replicate changes - check
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