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Posted Thursday, April 18, 2013 8:07 AM


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Forum points: A measure of how much time is spend not doing productive work.


Hey! This is productive. (SET @PompousVoice = ON) I'm building my brand and borrowing solutions from fellow posters.


Yeah, yeah. Keep telling yourself that.



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Posted Thursday, April 18, 2013 8:29 AM
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patrickmcginnis59 10839 (4/18/2013)

Also, keep in mind, many of the "highly rated" posters actually get points for posting rote replies like "see this post for instructions on how to submit your question," so the incentive system here is particularily slanted toward providing "copy paste" answers even without studying the question the answer is posted to in any reasonable detail. Just my 2 cents!


If so many of the posters weren't so consistent about not providing enough details to answer a question I would have probably half as many points as I do...maybe less. There are dozens of posts every single day where somebody wants us to provide a detailed query and we don't have ddl or even all the business rules. The reason we ask for these things is because we don't like writing multiple answers for the same problem because not enough information was provided initially.

While it is true that often we could build the sample data from the disaster that was posted we are volunteers. If Red Gate decided they wanted to pay me for parsing messily posted data into something consumable I would be more willing to do it. Since they don't, I don't too often spend my time assembling that into something usable.

Instead of just viewing the issue and ignoring it I try to tell the OP what they can do to get the help they are seeking. How many threads do we see with 20 or 30 views and zero responses? Many people don't bother to take the time to help these people understand what they can do to help themselves. Then the people who do take that time get ridiculed as being points hoarders. I guess I chose not to be anonymous and ignore these people. Instead I try to help these people get pointed in the right direction.


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Steve Jones - SSC Editor (4/17/2013)
Congrats to both Jason and Wayne for their MCM achievements.


Thanks Steve


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Steve Jones - SSC Editor (4/17/2013)
Congrats to both Jason and Wayne for their MCM achievements.

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CROSS-TABS and PIVOT tables Part 1 & Part 2, Using APPLY Part 1 & Part 2, Splitting Delimited Strings
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Jason
Congratulations!


Awesome! Well done Jason!

Wayne, is that you too?


Thanks Chris

And yup Wayne and I received our news on the same day.


Heh fantastic! That's quite an achievement!


Thanks Chris!


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If you can't explain to another person how the code that you're copying from the internet works, then DON'T USE IT on a production system! After all, you will be the one supporting it!
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Chad Crawford (4/17/2013)
Congrats Wayne and Jason - quite a feat, well done!

Chad


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CROSS-TABS and PIVOT tables Part 1 & Part 2, Using APPLY Part 1 & Part 2, Splitting Delimited Strings
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Congratulations!
right back at you Wayne!!!!!!!


Congratulations to you both, and well deserved!


Thanks Koen


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If you can't explain to another person how the code that you're copying from the internet works, then DON'T USE IT on a production system! After all, you will be the one supporting it!
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CROSS-TABS and PIVOT tables Part 1 & Part 2, Using APPLY Part 1 & Part 2, Splitting Delimited Strings
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Jeff Moden (4/17/2013)
First, a very hearty congratulations to the new MCM's!

Out of shear curiosity, how much (including the prerequisites) would you say you had to spend to get the MCM?


Thanks Jeff!

The prerequisites are to have both MCITP: Database Developer and MCITP:Database Administrator
I don't remember how many exams it took to get these (for 2012, there are 5 exams), and they now cost $125(?) each.
The MCM Knowledge exam costs $500.
The MCM Lab exam costs $2000. ($2500 if you use remote proctoring)
So, a minimal cost of $3125.
Plus retakes. (Very few people pass the MCM exams the first time around... and no, I didn't pass the Lab my first time)
Microsoft will sometimes have discount coupons available.

This is just the exams. If you feel the need for training, add more. (Personally, I suggest the SQLSkills Immersion Events. Hey... this is from the guy that wrote a lot of the SQL internals and who created the original MCM program (called Rangers back then). There classes are something like $3000 per week. But you will learn!!!)


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If you can't explain to another person how the code that you're copying from the internet works, then DON'T USE IT on a production system! After all, you will be the one supporting it!
Links: For better assistance in answering your questions, How to ask a question, Performance Problems, Common date/time routines,
CROSS-TABS and PIVOT tables Part 1 & Part 2, Using APPLY Part 1 & Part 2, Splitting Delimited Strings
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Jo Pattyn (4/18/2013)
Congratulations Wayne and Jason with your MCM

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If you can't explain to another person how the code that you're copying from the internet works, then DON'T USE IT on a production system! After all, you will be the one supporting it!
Links: For better assistance in answering your questions, How to ask a question, Performance Problems, Common date/time routines,
CROSS-TABS and PIVOT tables Part 1 & Part 2, Using APPLY Part 1 & Part 2, Splitting Delimited Strings
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