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Posted Monday, July 28, 2008 4:29 PM


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Posted Tuesday, July 29, 2008 1:34 AM
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Gas is expensive for us,


No you Americans have cheap gas. Cost that motoring in Britain with diesel at £6 per UK gallon (4.5 litres at £1.30 a litre) then add the road tax on each of your vehicles at anything upwards of £150 depending on the car, MOT costs (£40+ a time without repairs). And that's after you've paid tax (20%) and national insurance (10%) on your income!

Suddenly there are plenty of gas-guzzling 4x4 available cheaply!
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Posted Tuesday, July 29, 2008 2:52 AM
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Absolutely, we are feeling ripped off on petrol prices in Britain. This week I had to pay £1.18 point something per litre for unleaded petrol.

By my rough maths this worked out as £5.365 per gallon. Using an online concerter I am paying $10.70 per gallon, more than double the price for unleaded in the US.

The tabloids here love to use the phrase 'Rip-Off Britain', and not without sympathy from the public. Travelling to work is rapidly becoming barely affordable!
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Posted Tuesday, July 29, 2008 3:08 AM
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I reckon the price in the UK is equivalent of $9.50 per US gallon for diesel, the price in France was, a couple of weeks ago, about 15% lower than in the UK.

Steve you seem to be able to achieve the UK "extra urban" (out of town on a rolling road I think) economy for a Prius. However I am not sure that it is so superior to a lot of European/Japanese cars of the same size using traditional petrol engines. Certainly it might be worth considering the carbon footprint for shipping Lithium right round the world. Which is, correct me if this is incorrect, mined in Canada, partially processed in Europe, converted into battery cells in the Far East then shipped back to America/Europe in Hybrid cars. Presumably the recycling at the end of a cars life will be equally tortuous and may well have an even worse impact on the environment. Similar to the way old computer equipment is recycled on the third world today http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/computer-castoffs-poisoning-the-third-world-672434.html or http://news.zdnet.co.uk/itmanagement/0,1000000308,39233630,00.htm although these reports data back sometime I don't think the situation has improved.
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Posted Tuesday, July 29, 2008 3:56 AM
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yep people in England need to stop paying to subsidizer's the rest of the world including the usa, we have two of the biggest fuel companies in the world in Shell and BP yet we still have to pay the most for fuel it makes no sense. Why don't the people of the UK stop think and rise up and tell the government and the companies that we are not willing to pay these prices anymore.
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Posted Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:40 AM
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Didn't need an expensive Prius, built in lots of places around the world at huge carbon footprint and pollution expense. Just run a simple, non turbocharged diesel Sda - averages over 50 mpg including my urban commute. Incredibly reliable.
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Posted Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:05 AM
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Yeah, I swapped my Mx-5 for a Mazda 6 Diesel recently, just before the cost of diesel went through the roof, still, getting a respectable 45-50mpg out of it, probably doing a little better cost wise than I did with the MX (lower tax band too), but of course it's sunny at the moment so I am rather regretting my decision....

I am absolutely LMAO about these idiots in their 4x4s complaining about the price plummeting through the floor because tax is going through the roof, the cerebrally challenged self centered myopic fools that they are.
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Posted Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:09 AM
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Playing the devils advocate here...
The prius and others like the Honda civic hybrid may have a large carbon footprint but I think all cars have to a certain degree.... they dont have Steel mills and pressing plants right next to the car making factories.
so the Lithium comes from canada.... Its probably one trip by a ship.... How many seperate ship trips of fuel have to be used in the lifetime of your car.
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Posted Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:10 AM
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I've got a flex-fuel, and the consumption of ethanol is ~20-25% higher than gas. Since it's 30-35% cheaper, that still gives a 10% edge pro-alcohol. Add to that the lower level of toxic gasses, and I've been running pure ethanol for the last year or so.
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Posted Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:49 AM
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For someone who spent 5 years in Colorado Springs and Woodland Park CO, not sure how you say the winters are short there.

As far as gas mileage goes in sunny FL, I get better in the winter. Don't have to run the AC. Now I have a really SHORT winter.
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