UK JOB & US JOB

  • where we have lot of IT Job oppurtunities ?

    karthik

  • You need to better frame the question. What exactly about job opportunities are you asking?

  • I mean where we have lot of SQL Developer vacancies with good package?

    karthik

  • Ok... I've gotta ask...

    Seems to be the outsourcing capital of the world so what's wrong with staying in India?

    --Jeff Moden


    RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
    First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
    ________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.

    Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.


    Helpful Links:
    How to post code problems
    How to Post Performance Problems
    Create a Tally Function (fnTally)

  • I agreed your words. Nothing wrong with staying in India.But if i get US or UK based offers i am sure i will acquire some good onsite experience.(I mean I can improve my communication skill, I get a chance how to interact with client people directly instead of contacting them through phone line etc.,)

    karthik

  • Bear in mind that you'll need a work permit to work in either country.

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  • Anyplace has lots of opportunities. Check monster.com or dice.com to see where in the US or UK might have lots of open jobs.

  • And then there's the non-SQL question "Where would you LIKE to work/visit?"

    I'd be willing to bet that the UK, US and other countries would have similar opportunities so the real question is personal preference.

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  • If you want to work at US, you need to find a job first and the company agrees to sponsor you before you can apply for job permit. Actually the company has to apply the permit for you.

    Once the company submits the paper work, it takes about 4 to 6 weeks for the immigration office to process, they can deny you if your qualification does not match with the job requirement and it is very common.

    These days most companies do not like to sponsor foreigners because it requires a lot of work. If you go to Monster.com, you will see some jobs particular say they do not sponsor H1 visa (that is working permit for foreigner.)

  • And then, anyone who is touting the label of "Senior Software Engineer" needs to be able to do some pretty complex stuff right off the top of your head (like write a split function on the board or describe all the things wrong with [font="Courier New"]WHERE ISNULL(SomeColumn, ' ') <> ' '[/font], why, and what the correct code should be) or never make it onto the continent.

    Not trying to be sarcastic or mean... it's just friendly advice like I gave to one other "Senior Software Engineer" with a Masters Degree who said he was a "9 out of 10 in both SQL Server and Oracle" on his resume, but couldn't tell me how to get the current date and time out of either. 😉

    --Jeff Moden


    RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
    First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
    ________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.

    Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.


    Helpful Links:
    How to post code problems
    How to Post Performance Problems
    Create a Tally Function (fnTally)

  • That was what I said, your experience had to match the job description, otherwise even the company liked to hire you, the immigration could deny your application.

    Just an example, if the ad said, 'BS degree but preferred Master degree' and you did not have a master degree, the immigration office would deny you.

    Believe me, I had a long history fighting with the immigration office about working visa.

  • If the question phrasing represents your standard of English then you'll need to work on it before you get a job here. Communication skills are important and many interview candidates are rejected as lacking the language and presentation skills to communicate with a customer or not able to communicate clearly with the rest of the team.

    There is a lot of bad feeling now about foreign workers taking UK jobs. We're not that short of skills and it's quite difficult for born and bred residents to get decent jobs, especially with agencies who welcome you and promise jobs when they don't really exist - read Phil Factor on Simple Talk to learn about agents!!

    In the building trade things are very bad. Much work is fixed price contract and foreign workers are coming over for short periods and taking these at very low rates which are well below minimum wage as they pay no taxes etc. and the result is UK residents who cannot get work or only get very low paid work so cannot pay rent, mortgage and so on and get their homes repossessed as has happenned to a skilled plumber friend of mine.

    Last month a young English labourer, with a new baby to care for, came along to a group of builders in our local pub to ask for work and was told he couldn't have work because the boss could get three Polish workers for the (minimum legal) wage he had to pay the young man.

    One builder's supplier in this area has been boycotted for employing foreign workers - builders voting with their money and competitors are taking the message in. If only the government could get it!

    Computing is an area with much similar contract work and I would not want to see the same problems, bad feeling and hate of foreigners arising.

  • The same situation happens in US. If you go to Monster.com technology blog, people are getting so upset that companies hire foreign workers especially in computer business while the US programmers cannot find the job. They blame the foreign workers willing to accept the job with less pay.

    Also people already are getting upset that the jobs are outsourcing to India. They already have a resentful feeling to the programmers in India. The developers here complained the programmers in Indian that they do not understand the US standard and culture, the time difference, the difficulty talking to them because of their communication skill (strong accents) and the work is poorly done. In the beginning the company said there would not be any change, they would not lay off people. Two years later, only 1/3 of people remained in the office. Think about the 2/3 of people got layoff, you could imagine their resentment towards outsourcing. At that time the senior DBA said they would never outsourced the department, now there were no DBA left in the company. I wish I could tell that DBA how wrong he was.

    Also since there are so many developers looking for jobs, companies are getting very choosy. They probably will not go through the trouble to get a visa for a foreign worker unless you have an exceptional skills. If you are just a programmer with a couple years of experiences, the companies will have no problem finding a US worker. They don't look at your title, they look at your skill and how you present yourself at the time of interview.

  • I think there are always jobs. I've seen reports this week that IT hiring was strong in the US and also that it was not doing well. Overall you can guess, but it can vary tremendously from company to company or area to area.

    You need strong skills and you need to present yourself well. Some people value technical skills higher than communication skills and some do the reverse.

    You have to try, do your best, and if you don't get a job, ask what you didn't do well or what areas you need to improve. That will help.

    I will say from your postings here, you are not very clear on what you want or are asking and I would work on that. Look at other posts and see how people phrase questions and what information you give. Being too wordy can be a problem, but so can being too terse.

  • P Jones and Loner both make excellent points about the working climate in the UK and the US.

    I've worked in both countries (I'm American) and there is definitely resentment from the British towards foreign workers...even towards myself, who is a native English speaker and was in the country due to the fact that I married a British person. I wasn't trying to "steal" a job, I was just trying to pay my bills...but some people didn't see it that way. I get that. I just tried to change the subject when it came up. I'm sure I would have experienced more problems if my circumstances were different. Even without a language barrier, I found myself having to constantly explain to hiring managers why I had no O levels/GCSEs or A levels, and that the university-level math courses I took were certainly more challenging than a GCSE in math. They would just stare blankly and blink, then say "Well...do you think you could take some GCSEs?" Facepalm.

    As for the working climate in the US...yes, absolutely there is resentment towards foreign workers in IT. It's not universal and it's not pervasive, but it's there.

    The odds of you finding direct employment through a company are slim to none. Most Indian IT workers find their way over here these days via consulting firms, usually Wipro, Tata, etc. Most companies I've worked for use these firms and the churn rate is very high. Consultants are swapped in/out at regular intervals and never talk to anyone except each other. About half the companies I've worked for have eventually terminated their contracts with TCS (Tata) due to the low quality of their consultants. I've found a lot of these contractors are more talk than action and I end up fixing a lot of their mistakes, all the while constantly battling the stereotype that I'm not as good at my job as they are because I'm a white woman with a liberal arts degree. :crazy:

    That is just my experience though! I can only form my opinions based on my own experience.

    I've also worked with some extremely capable Indian IT workers. I would count some of them among the very best I've ever worked with and have given glowing (and 100% true) recommendations for them when asked. There are a handful of people I'd work with again in a heartbeat anywhere on any project and about 50% of them are Indian. So please don't get the impression that I don't like Indians. :smooooth:

    P.S. Talk about Friday brain. I just realized I responded to a seven year-old thread.

    P.P.S. Need coffee.

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