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Posted Wednesday, November 29, 2006 2:37 PM
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Posted Monday, December 04, 2006 10:23 PM


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Sounds like it was a bad match all the way around... it was a good thing that you bailed.  How ya doin' now?

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Posted Tuesday, December 05, 2006 1:12 AM
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hi Janet,
the atmosphere was just the same at my office, I am a DBA but have no power to educate the developers to use a better query syntax since they were my senior *sigh* and I admit that my skill was average too maybe this is the reason they underestimated me, but I told myself that I have to face all these barriers and prove them my existance. Definitely I support you...do your best !
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Posted Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:47 AM
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Fortunately i've not been in that position, but if I ever find myself there they wont see me for dust.

I'm a professional, and I expect to work with professionals.  I appreciate that sometimes office politics come into play but I try not to get involved.

The company where I work now values the input of everyone, and because i'm someone that gets results and is willing to go the extra mile I know that my opinions carry a lot of weight.

I feel sorry for anyone caught in the situation that you described, how on earth does a company expect to be profitable in the long term if it treats employees so dismally? In the end everyone will just vote with their feet.

I hope that you've found somewhere decent to work now

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Posted Tuesday, December 05, 2006 3:08 AM
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I'm a contractor and have come against this sort of situation. The way I deal with it, is that I offer the benefit of my experience, and if they take it fine, if they don't that's their choice (they have to live with once I'm gone).

Interesting article. Hope you've got good work now.

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Posted Tuesday, December 05, 2006 4:17 AM
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It works all ways around, there are Managers, Developers, DBAs, Directors etc. all of whom may be "challenged" in one way or another.

If you care about your work it's sometimes easier to become a contractor rather than beat yourself up over it, easier said then done I know, at least you can walk away. I'm working on a similar view to Karl, although there's a fine line between incompetence and idiocy and it seems to be alive and well in many companies!!

I'm a production DBA btw. Nice article of the other kind, my sympathies, don't get disheartened get tougher!!



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Posted Tuesday, December 05, 2006 4:17 AM
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About all one can ever do is to offer their best professional recommendations and go from there.  It is management's choice to employ that advice or ignore it.   It helps to document the who, what ,when, where, why, and how of those situations, just in case that information is ever needed. 

Asking better questions during an interview (non-threatening, of course) on how things are done, by whom (every organization has added their own tweaks to the standard project lifecycle), etc. can give insights into what to expect after joining an organization and help level one's expectations.

Hope things are better at your current location.




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Seen it .... been there ..... done that .... burned out ..... revived ... bailed out ...

Now I'm having a job that's giving me the occasion to develop my skills and allows me to - every once in a while - build a more optimal system, proc, ... and where I say what are my concerns regarding as well developers as dba-related mid-term or long-term sideeffects of the decisions to be taken.
Because business is 24/7 they tend to think only NOW and my job is more like 911 firefighting, cpr for data and databases. If I no longer can live with that I know I have to bail out.

What I also try to do is to build in some relief time in my professional activities. Quality time gets my nerves at a reasonable level and keeping sunshine in my life and those I care for.

Also keep in mind tons of books and theories regarding IT have been published and invested in, for most of the companies to be ignored

That's why there are consultants. Their advise has a better chance of being accepted, let's hope not only because their time is expressed in $$$$



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Posted Tuesday, December 05, 2006 5:22 AM


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Hello,

In my opinion this war isn't about Developers against DBAs, it's about People against People.

There is a simple solution in this case: Be Professional, no matter what's your job role.

There is a famous phrase that I like very much and can be used in this case: "All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us".

Follow my 3D rules: Direction, Discipline and Determination.

and make your choice:

a) No matter what you do (Benny Benassi)

b) Just Do it (Nike)

c) Think Different (Albert Einstein)


Best,
Alex Rosa
MCTS SQL Server 2005
MCDBA SQL Server 2000
Brazil



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Posted Tuesday, December 05, 2006 5:52 AM
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never see it as a war - that indicates conflict which is a negative. However, that said I have a xmas mailing list to recieve  The Muppets Wizard of Oz dvd ( aplogies if the references are obscure or don't translate well !! )

I give an excellent example :- Company builds new servers with C: drive = 10Gb, D: drive = 2GB ( all on primary drive ) remainder of disk unallocated. Page file sits on C: drive. Server with 4Gb ram, sql2005 install ( binaries on C: drive ) almost entire C: drive full - alerts raised as under 25% free space. 60Gb unallocted space on primary drive ( or 24 depending on 36 / 72 )

I suggest we increase C: and D: drive to 50% each of disk space, maybe put binaries on D: and keep page file on C: ( isn't actually what I prefer but hey not my issue )

Answer from "Management"  - "nice idea , but, doesn't fit with company build standard"  - what can you do ?



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