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Posted Tuesday, July 8, 2014 12:25 PM
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Good thoughts for the day in a field where solving "impossible" is routine.

When I think of "never give up" I think of the phrase coined by Pirsig in Zen and the Art called the "gumption trap".
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Posted Tuesday, July 8, 2014 12:43 PM


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I guess I'm a bit more of a commoner, but what stuck in my head is the quote from Galaxy Quest, "Never give up... Never surrender!"

I can't resist trying to figure things out, I'm just a figure-outerer that way.
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Posted Wednesday, July 9, 2014 2:59 AM


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I must admit I like to give users an opportunity to attempt to solve their own problems as I see this as having several benefits..

1)They quickly get a better appreciation of the problems and difficulties involved.
2)They tend to then ask better questions.

I work with a lot of intelligent people - that intelligence should give them the flexibility to learn new things even if they are outside their direct remit.

I see my role as tackling the problems that they really can't solve or steering them in the best direction to solve their own problems.

and yes never give up
I usually have a number of really tricky issues that I periodically review as new products come on line that show potential for solving a perceived issue or could massively improve things. They are often good topics in the pub at conferences.

Complex Event Processing is something I am mulling over at the moment.
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Posted Wednesday, July 9, 2014 5:36 AM
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Dalkeith (7/9/2014)
I must admit I like to give users an opportunity to attempt to solve their own problems as I see this as having several benefits..

1)They quickly get a better appreciation of the problems and difficulties involved.
2)They tend to then ask better questions.

I work with a lot of intelligent people - that intelligence should give them the flexibility to learn new things even if they are outside their direct remit.

I see my role as tackling the problems that they really can't solve or steering them in the best direction to solve their own problems.

and yes never give up
I usually have a number of really tricky issues that I periodically review as new products come on line that show potential for solving a perceived issue or could massively improve things. They are often good topics in the pub at conferences.

Complex Event Processing is something I am mulling over at the moment.


The problem I have with users solving their own problems is that they usually do so in an Excel spreadsheet and when that breaks guess who gets called to fix it? And of course it will break within an hour of a critical deadline.




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Posted Wednesday, July 9, 2014 6:05 AM


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I must admit I like to give users an opportunity to attempt to solve their own problems as I see this as having several benefits..

1)They quickly get a better appreciation of the problems and difficulties involved.
2)They tend to then ask better questions.

I work with a lot of intelligent people - that intelligence should give them the flexibility to learn new things even if they are outside their direct remit.

I see my role as tackling the problems that they really can't solve or steering them in the best direction to solve their own problems.

and yes never give up
I usually have a number of really tricky issues that I periodically review as new products come on line that show potential for solving a perceived issue or could massively improve things. They are often good topics in the pub at conferences.

Complex Event Processing is something I am mulling over at the moment.


The problem I have with users solving their own problems is that they usually do so in an Excel spreadsheet and when that breaks guess who gets called to fix it? And of course it will break within an hour of a critical deadline.

Quite often, you're right. However, building up a reasonably close relationship with one's users does open the door for them coming up with solutions which developers and DBAs implement. That way, the solutions are business solutions rather than just techie elegance, but are put in place in a robust and maintainable manner. And it's the relationship that ensures the solution is sanity checked from both a business and a technical feasibility perspective.


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Posted Thursday, July 10, 2014 1:20 PM
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crussell-931424 (7/10/2014)
I've always believed I could do anything, if given enough time.


I don't know about you, but nobody ever seems to want to give me time. It's always a rush to solve whatever the users come up with.




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Posted Thursday, July 10, 2014 1:23 PM


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I don't know about you, but nobody ever seems to want to give me time.


It's 12:23pm PDT.

Don't say you didn't ask.
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Posted Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:11 AM


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My general approach is:

1. If it is a coding problem, I try to come up with my own way so as not to just copy what someone else has done. I have found that makes me learn more about the problem and the different solutions. If I still can't figure it out, then I do some research.

2. If it is an emergency or bug, I first Google or otherwise research the issue, so that I err on the side of safety, i.e., not going down blind alleys that might waste time or make things worse.

In either case, I always compile the sources that helped me and reference them in the code that I change, to give proper credit.

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