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Posted Monday, June 23, 2014 5:05 AM


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simon.crick (6/12/2014)
Tension arise when Developer and DBA roles/responsibilities are not properly separated.
It sounds simple because it is. Problems only arise when people forget the basic principles of software engineering, i.e. every component must have a well-defined interface, and users of a component must not bypass the interface or make any assumptions about how the component works internally.



You would think so. But when I've suggested this in interviews for some places in the past, it's been received slightly less well than if I'd something obscenely biological


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Posted Monday, June 23, 2014 5:35 AM


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Gary Varga (6/12/2014)
[quote]My point is that, bearing in mind the editorial, the whole way of thinking is as flawed as the value of the number of legs as described in Animal Farm (the George Orwell book for those who are aware of other less literary references that can be attributed to). And no I am not calling DBAs pigs



Personally I see myself more as Boxer


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Posted Monday, June 23, 2014 6:32 AM


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Gary Varga (6/12/2014)
My point is that, bearing in mind the editorial, the whole way of thinking is as flawed as the value of the number of legs as described in Animal Farm (the George Orwell book for those who are aware of other less literary references that can be attributed to). And no I am not calling DBAs pigs



Personally I see myself more as Boxer


Generalising, most DBAs are. They do a lot of the heavy lifting and have zero interest in the politics.


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Posted Wednesday, June 25, 2014 4:47 AM


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thomashohner (6/13/2014)
Jeff you must have a crystal ball😁! You just described yesterday for me. I actually had to say this in a email to one of our administrator's, "My reports only show what is, not what you wish your staff had been entering for the last 6 month's".


I have a metaphorical wardrobe rammed with those t-shirts.
Do you get
<Whiny voice> "Well, the computer should just know"
"Well ... you must be able to get it from somewhere"


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Posted Wednesday, June 25, 2014 7:32 AM


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thomashohner (6/13/2014)
Jeff you must have a crystal ball😁! You just described yesterday for me. I actually had to say this in a email to one of our administrator's, "My reports only show what is, not what you wish your staff had been entering for the last 6 month's".


I have a metaphorical wardrobe rammed with those t-shirts.
Do you get
<Whiny voice> "Well, the computer should just know"
"Well ... you must be able to get it from somewhere"


Good Lord, I hear those two quotes verbatim almost weekly. I always try to explain that computers/software are just tools. They do not do your work for you. However it always falls on deaf ears





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Eric M Russell (6/12/2014)
Hollywood should make a film called "A Day Without a DBA" just to show the ignorant public (and cocky app developers) what a total global disaster it would be if we ever decided to step out for lunch and never came back.


Seen worse plots on the big screen!


I don't know I had the misfortune of watching a bit of 'Sharknado' the other night.


I would say I have spent the last ten years as a Production/Operational DBA but as ever there's always that 10-15% of dev work that always happens. I used to try and get it done and over with but last year I took on a contract that was a pure SQL Dev role (i'd been studying for the 70-433 exam anyway) and it was nice to go and see "the other side" for once and whilst I may not have agreed with all their methods I met some very passionate and talented people who taught me a great many things. Also it has increased my knowledge of t-sql immeasurably.

In my mind it comes down to people, regardless of DBA/Dev/BI/whatever, treat people with the respect you think you would like/deserve and it's a great platform to start off on.

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Posted Thursday, July 17, 2014 1:51 PM


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Jeff you must have a crystal ball😁! You just described yesterday for me. I actually had to say this in a email to one of our administrator's, "My reports only show what is, not what you wish your staff had been entering for the last 6 month's".


I have a metaphorical wardrobe rammed with those t-shirts.
Do you get
<Whiny voice> "Well, the computer should just know"
"Well ... you must be able to get it from somewhere"


Good Lord, I hear those two quotes verbatim almost weekly. I always try to explain that computers/software are just tools. They do not do your work for you. However it always falls on deaf ears



I have a little homily I sometimes use, roughly;
"Ok, can I just briefly explain what I do for a living, I teach sand to do tricks. That's all a computer is basically and that's what programmers do. Now <x problem> ... could you teach your dog a trick that will solve <x>, because I'm sure you'd agree that your dog's more intelligent than sand. If you can't teach your dog to do it, I have very little chance with some melted sand."
Cat doesn't work - well, you know what cats are like, so do cat owners. NEVER use staff, we all know the response "are your staff cleverer than sand" is likely to elicit 80% of the time.

It never seems to get the point across ... but it amuses me.


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Posted Thursday, July 17, 2014 2:48 PM
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quackhandle1975 (7/17/2014)
I don't know I had the misfortune of watching a bit of 'Sharknado' the other night.


"When a freak hurricane swamps Los Angeles, nature's deadliest killer rules sea, land, and air as thousands of sharks terrorize the waterlogged populace."

Sounds like a normal business meeting
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Posted Friday, July 18, 2014 12:40 AM
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I don't know I had the misfortune of watching a bit of 'Sharknado' the other night. :Crazy:


I did the same, I thought it couldn't be that bad could it? How wrong I was.



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