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Posted Sunday, February 16, 2014 9:43 PM
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Posted Monday, February 17, 2014 7:28 AM
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I was just reading a comment on Bruce Schneier's blog. Apparently very many bank cash machines (ATM) are running XP. Likelihood they'll all be converted on time is about zero. Also medical and industrial equipment.

In IT we tend to think of things in terms of servers and user machines. But there is a whole embedded world out there where it's not such a straightforward fix (just get a new pc).



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Posted Monday, February 17, 2014 8:14 AM
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Getting family members off of XP will be difficult. Also difficult is getting businesses off of XP.

For the former, I tend to recommend Linux, if nothing else for the price. For the latter, well, they need to ask for budgetary approval!
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Posted Monday, February 17, 2014 8:21 AM


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It's easy to take family members off of WinXP. Not so easy for companies that need lots of licenses and testing time to make sure nothing is going to break. I wonder if I'll get Win7 (or 8 ) at work soon.


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Posted Monday, February 17, 2014 8:22 AM


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Luis Cazares (2/17/2014)
It's easy to take family members off of WinXP. Not so easy for companies that need lots of licenses and testing time to make sure nothing is going to break. I wonder if I'll get Win7 (or 8 ) at work soon.


Yeah sometimes that is true especially when you are their IT staff.




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Posted Monday, February 17, 2014 8:35 AM
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Luis Cazares (2/17/2014)
It's easy to take family members off of WinXP. Not so easy for companies that need lots of licenses and testing time to make sure nothing is going to break. I wonder if I'll get Win7 (or 8 ) at work soon.


Win7 or what? I don't think I'm familiar with that other product, so I'm sure I misheard you - did you mean Win7 or Debian, Win7 or Ubuntu, or Win7 or FreeBSD? Personally, I'm not about to try and give a family member Win8 + Office 2007+ if they're used to WinXP + Office 2003-; I don't need that many calls for help.
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Posted Monday, February 17, 2014 8:43 AM


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The problem with Microsoft wanting to retire things is that they have to convince the public that new is actually improved.

If I'm normal consumer with a seven year old PC with WinXP and and the full Office suite that I paid the $300 retail price for. I paid a $1k for the whole setup. I have enough hard drive space and the speed isn't too bad. It works for what I do.

So convince that person to go to a Win8 with a completely different interface and Office 13 with a ribbon that slows him down for no reason. Especially when he can go find a decent old WinXP machine at a thrift store like Goodwill for $25.

I'm on a laptop with Win7 with Off2007. I'm planning to downgrade the Office to 2003 because the ribbon slows me down and takes up too much real estate. As for Win8 -- I'm hoping Win9 will actually be an improvement.




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Posted Monday, February 17, 2014 8:46 AM


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It's easy to take family members off of WinXP. Not so easy for companies that need lots of licenses and testing time to make sure nothing is going to break. I wonder if I'll get Win7 (or 8 ) at work soon.


Win7 or what? I don't think I'm familiar with that other product, so I'm sure I misheard you - did you mean Win7 or Debian, Win7 or Ubuntu, or Win7 or FreeBSD? Personally, I'm not about to try and give a family member Win8 + Office 2007+ if they're used to WinXP + Office 2003-; I don't need that many calls for help.

We're on 2014, I'm sure that they can handle Office 2010, I'm not so sure about Win8. I tried to use ubuntu on the family computer once, they kept asking where were Word and Solitaire.



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Posted Monday, February 17, 2014 9:40 AM
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It's easy to take family members off of WinXP. Not so easy for companies that need lots of licenses and testing time to make sure nothing is going to break. I wonder if I'll get Win7 (or 8 ) at work soon.


Win7 or what? I don't think I'm familiar with that other product, so I'm sure I misheard you - did you mean Win7 or Debian, Win7 or Ubuntu, or Win7 or FreeBSD? Personally, I'm not about to try and give a family member Win8 + Office 2007+ if they're used to WinXP + Office 2003-; I don't need that many calls for help.

We're on 2014, I'm sure that they can handle Office 2010, I'm not so sure about Win8. I tried to use ubuntu on the family computer once, they kept asking where were Word and Solitaire.


Word without the ribbon = LibreOffice.
Solitare is under Games - after you use the Package Manager to search for it and install it, along with a bunch of other games (that don't need Flash, and don't install spyware and advertisements and IE addons and toolbars).
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Posted Monday, February 17, 2014 9:42 AM


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Nadrek (2/17/2014)
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It's easy to take family members off of WinXP. Not so easy for companies that need lots of licenses and testing time to make sure nothing is going to break. I wonder if I'll get Win7 (or 8 ) at work soon.


Win7 or what? I don't think I'm familiar with that other product, so I'm sure I misheard you - did you mean Win7 or Debian, Win7 or Ubuntu, or Win7 or FreeBSD? Personally, I'm not about to try and give a family member Win8 + Office 2007+ if they're used to WinXP + Office 2003-; I don't need that many calls for help.

We're on 2014, I'm sure that they can handle Office 2010, I'm not so sure about Win8. I tried to use ubuntu on the family computer once, they kept asking where were Word and Solitaire.


Word without the ribbon = LibreOffice.
Solitare is under Games - after you use the Package Manager to search for it and install it, along with a bunch of other games (that don't need Flash, and don't install spyware and advertisements and IE addons and toolbars).


I know that, my family doesn't.



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