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K. Brian Kelley
Posted Monday, June 02, 2008 2:46 PM


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John Dennis (6/2/2008)
As ALZDBA points out--It is better to create a windows account for the service to run under than NT Authority\SYSTEM. Granting permission to NT Authority\SYSTEM gives "any" service or application, running under that context, the same rights to the SQL Server and there is even less tracability than BUILTIN\Administrators.


Depending on the 3rd party backup software, though, that may not be a supported configuration. We've hit that wall ourselves. The local SYSTEM does have some implicit rights that even the local Administrators group on the server doesn't.

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With that said, and us only getting an error message for the VSS service, not being able to log-in with the NT AUthority\SYSTEM, I guess it would be best to just have the VSS service log-in with some Windows account. Thanks all.

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If it's Volume Shadow Copy, I'm not sure what supported configuration there is with respect to service accounts. I know in the past you couldn't run Full Text with anything other than the System account. Thankfully, that was changed in SQL Server 2005. You may want to verify that, first.

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Kathi,

A question I have is this about removing BUILTIN\Administrators from Security->Logins on SQL Server [2005] instance.

If I remove this account from Logins, but the domain users remain as Local\Administrator on the box where SS instance is, are the users able to login the instance and remain a sysadmin? I would assume unless you add their domain users account directly to Logins, then NO, but just wanted to check.

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ZeeAtl (2/22/2010)
Kathi,

A question I have is this about removing BUILTIN\Administrators from Security->Logins on SQL Server [2005] instance.

If I remove this account from Logins, but the domain users remain as Local\Administrator on the box where SS instance is, are the users able to login the instance and remain a sysadmin? I would assume unless you add their domain users account directly to Logins, then NO, but just wanted to check.

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Zee - Atlanta
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Zee,
Only the logins enumerated in the sysadmin server role will have sysadmin access so if Local\Administrator is not listed then you are good to go.

EXEC sp_helpsrvrolemember 'sysadmin'

I do have to ask (or rather you should ask yourself) why would "Domain users" need any administrator rights? Especially local.

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ZeeAtl (2/22/2010)
Kathi,

A question I have is this about removing BUILTIN\Administrators from Security->Logins on SQL Server [2005] instance.

If I remove this account from Logins, but the domain users remain as Local\Administrator on the box where SS instance is, are the users able to login the instance and remain a sysadmin? I would assume unless you add their domain users account directly to Logins, then NO, but just wanted to check.

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No, you'll first have to add them to your sqlinstances sysadmin role.

Your assumption is correct.

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Kathi,

While we are on the topic of SQL Server instance Logins, I have another question.

My SSIS service Logins for two separate SQL Server instances are set to:
NT AUTHORITY\Network Service

Can I change this service Login to a plain domain user account as well? Any special Group Policy properties required for SSIS execution (that are automatically set for Network Service built-in account)?

I'd like to change this as well to get that out of the Logins for the server.

Thanks,

Zee
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from SQL 2005, I found that the most safe method is to create one more account with sysadmin righ t and then deny the access of builtin\Administrator account to SQL server 2005. Don't know why SQL do'nt allow to remove it directly but has to grant deny first.

Then login using the new login and delete it.

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Posted Wednesday, April 21, 2010 8:35 AM
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Kathi,

What is the deny step for BuiltIn\Administrators (T-SQL), or SSMS? Can you give me
specific example of what you've done?

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