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Posted Monday, October 14, 2013 2:42 PM


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djackson 22568 (10/14/2013)
...Then there is the issue that you can't ever look at a woman's badge to get their name due to where they are located...


Working freelance I rarely get to spend long with a set of people so during meetings I like to note peoples names. It is very handy especially as I have never been very good at remembering names. Sometimes I do feel as though my actions will be misunderstood whilst trying to read the names off of badges. Not just the ladies though. Some chaps clip their badge near their buckle. Awkward!!!


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Posted Tuesday, October 15, 2013 5:51 AM
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I support our physical access system. We have a policy that badges must be displayed and used individually for access (no "piggybacking"). Lost cards are deactivated on notification (and are automatically placed in a "never use again" table in the system), and the employee/contractor is issued a new badge. I'm not sure of the cost of prox cards since the business manages that portion ;^).

In reality of course, real people 1) forget their badges; 2) enter a building/floor en masse by piggyback (try asking 25 senior management types to swipe individually on their way to a meeting); 3) don't display their badges; 4) let other people in on their card; 5) etc. We can only set policy and design/manage the system to our best expectations.

I wear my badge on a reel on my belt. It's always handy, and besides my tinfoil-hat wallet wouldn't allow it to be read.
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Posted Tuesday, October 15, 2013 8:30 PM
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Bill, that's really interesting and a nice approach.

Thanks to everyone that commented, there is lots of good stuff there for me to think about and a fascinating look at cultures and how they work!


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Posted Wednesday, October 16, 2013 9:13 AM
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I have worked in places that required the card to be displayed, and ones that did not. And ones that did where it was not enforced. In some places, you could not get in without it. In others, you just could not get in the side doors or after hours without it.

Lost cards usually mean a fee to replace. Forgotten cards at the places where you needed one to get in could usually be handled by borrowing a "visitor pass" for the day.

And following someone in has been dead easy everywhere.

When it is not required to be displayed, I prefer keeping it in the wallet. Less annoying and tougher to forget.

I'd rather have the card on a reel, but the reels never seem to last long, so lanyard is fine too.
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Posted Thursday, October 17, 2013 3:16 AM
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I was once working as a contractor for a fortune 50 company, in their data security department. I was called in for a 2am server crash. There was a tunnel from the parking garage to the building. We were supposed to display our keycard/picture ID at all times (or else!). After I entered the tunnel from the garage via my keycard/picture ID, I put it back in my pocket since it was cold outside and I was warming my hands. I was met at the end of the tunnel before getting into the building by 2 armed guards - they weren't happy (the tunnel is under video surveillance). This is the same company/dept where if you left your desk, and your screen saver wasn't on and locked, you were fired on the spot, and escorted out the door.


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Posted Thursday, October 17, 2013 6:58 AM


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I worked in all ranges from "you are fired on spot for letting you display on" to "no badges at all".
It depends a lot on corporation size.

There'a a time where we are supposed to use a barcoded card to gain access to company sectors/floors.
I forgot that card at home desks, restaurants tables, offices too many times...
Since a worked a lot with barcodes I managed do reproduce my own card barcode and let a spare papper copy at my wallet.

Short history: when management realized I can reproduce anyone barcode they got really mad
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With regard to the badges themselves, our badges used to contain the company logo etc on them, in addition to the person's name and photo. Now they just contain the photo and name, making it harder to identify where it can be used should it be lost in a public place.

We wear them on a lanyard, and generally the advice is to wear them around our neck at all times but many people, myself included, find it an annoyance and tend to either tuck it into a shirt pocket, or just wrap it up and stick it in our pocket, this is typically not enforced, though every once in a while a memo might go round reminding everyone to display it. They're a bit like dress standards in that way, if those at the top don't make a concerted effort to enforce everyone wearing a tie, or regulation shoes, or their badge at all times, then standards are going to slip over time.

Regards access, the badge is necessary to get into the building itself, and then from there, to get into anywhere other than the main lobby. If we lose the badge, it's £5 to replace it. If we forget it one day then there are a number of interim badges for new starters/guests/forgetful people so they don't have to knock on the door etc, though I can tell you from sitting next to said door that it's still a daily occurrence, the shame of having an interim badge must be too much for some I guess.

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Posted Monday, October 21, 2013 10:46 AM
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We have a picture ID card which must be displayed while in the building. We receive frequent reminders, but I don't think there are any penalties for not displaying it. I carry mine in a plastic holder clipped to my belt.

We have a separate proximity card key for entering the building and certain other areas within the building, such as the data center or warehouse area. I carry mine in my wallet so I don't forget it.


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Posted Friday, August 22, 2014 9:00 AM
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Interesting discussion, my company makes the stuff behind all this, the controllers, management software etc.

Being in the industry, we fret over this stuff all day long, and spend our time developing things like anti-passback, n-man rules, etc. But, as discussed, you can put all the physical security in place you want, but if people don't respect it and the reason it is there, they'll try to walk around it all day long.

We (and other companies) now have a credential for your smartphone, it's arguably more secure because of our intimate relationship to our phones vs. how we treat cards/fobs. You may share your card, but I doubt you'd do the same with your phone. Also, in bulk it's cheaper than cards (the app is free, you by bulk licenses for the logical credential)

An interesting debate we have around credentials is to print or not to print. If you print on the card and require it be visible you get visual confirmation that it belongs to the person wearing it. But, if they lose it in a parking lot, the card typically clearly shows what company this card is for and the identity to spoof. If you don't print on cards, they're anonymous but you don't get constant direct visual verification. However most management software can show the associated picture of a person as they badge through a door.
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