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Posted Friday, September 27, 2013 8:21 AM
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Eric, what is negotiable varies by company. Sometimes there is room to talk on salary. Insurance and 401k rarely. Time off, it depends - getting extra paid days is hard, getting an ok to take more time unpaid is often easy (and you just work the salary to make it so you end up at the same place). Training is a good ask. Flex schedule. Comp time. Getting a company phone and getting to pick the phone. Picking your laptop. Being a local admin (tell me that isn't worth something!). Big monitors, special keyboard are smaller asks, but why not ask? Always good to ask about a bonus program, tuition assistance. Ask for exam reimbursement. Paid time to go to training (even if they won't pay). It would be rare to not get something, because they want you - that's the time of most leverage for you.

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Posted Friday, September 27, 2013 8:22 AM
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Very interesting article, Andy!

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Posted Friday, September 27, 2013 8:25 AM
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The analogy to the police interview is sometimes all too apt. Yet I think the coffee talk is too far the other way in most cases. It's hard to get right. I don't mind the grilling, its a chance to see what they care about. I took a contract once as a DBA that had no technical questions, it was about projects and relationships - that's what mattered to them and it intrigued me.



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The last time I was unemployed and interviewing I came in and was introduced to a man who asked three questions. He then said "let me go check something it should only be 10-15 minutes". He left.

I sat in his office and thought about the questions and what he had said so far and waited. About 20 minutes later he returned and told me that he was not interested in hiring me for the job I was interviewing for but he had another job in mind and he immediately made me an offer for the other job. I told him that I would get back to him by the close of business the next day and left. This was after only three questions.

I called just after noon the next day asked if the offer was still good and took the job. It was one of the best jobs I ever had.

He did not leave as a test, but left to talk with the HR department to see how he could hire me quickly and into a pure development position. He worked in out in 15 minutes or so. The rest is history.



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Posted Thursday, October 3, 2013 4:53 PM
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Miles, it's nice to hear a good story to balance us out - not every interview/date goes bad

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Andy Warren (10/3/2013)
Miles, it's nice to hear a good story to balance us out - not every interview/date goes bad


True. And whilst it makes for a far more interesting debate wringing out the salacious tales, bringing in a good tale brings greater balance to it. As well as a nice feeling.


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The same rules that apply to dating should also apply to employment interviews. Both sides of the table should "keep it real" and not play games. The candidate should be honest and straighforward about what they can offer, and the employer should be straighforward about what they're looking for as well.

There have been job interviews where at the end of the day I felt it was a total waste of my time, and there have been some interviews that were downright creepy. These are companies that actually called me back or communicated through the recruiter that they were interested in a 2nd interview. I'm sure the employer considered their interview process clever and themselves such a good catch that any candidate in their right mind would take the job. But... wrong. Why did their most senior level developer bail on them? Maybe it's time they take a long hard look in the mirror.
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Eric M Russell (10/4/2013)
The same rules that apply to dating should also apply to employment interviews. Both sides of the table should "keep it real" and not play games. The candidate should be honest and straighforward about what they can offer, and the employer should be straighforward about what they're looking for as well.


Oooh! Speed interviewing?
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Posted Friday, October 4, 2013 8:14 AM


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The same rules that apply to dating should also apply to employment interviews. Both sides of the table should "keep it real" and not play games. The candidate should be honest and straighforward about what they can offer, and the employer should be straighforward about what they're looking for as well.


Oooh! Speed interviewing?


More like a bad blind date with spoiled princess.
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Posted Friday, October 4, 2013 9:23 AM
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Tom Bakerman (10/4/2013)
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The same rules that apply to dating should also apply to employment interviews. Both sides of the table should "keep it real" and not play games. The candidate should be honest and straighforward about what they can offer, and the employer should be straighforward about what they're looking for as well.


Oooh! Speed interviewing?


Isn't a job fair like speed interviewing already?


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