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Posted Wednesday, August 28, 2013 6:19 PM


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Shawn Richards (8/28/2013)
To be honest I find this disgusting and have had first had accounts of this many times while working in a Tech Supply Company Support Department around the turn of the century. ...


Wait, what? Oh, the turn to the 21st century.


Never mind.


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Posted Wednesday, August 28, 2013 7:02 PM


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tammy.cravit (8/28/2013)
But couldn't you equally write "introducing the wrong male into a team can have disastrous effects to the overall performance of the team"? I would argue - as presently the only female in a small, close-knit, and highly effective DBA team - that the risk comes from personality match and not from gender per se. And I would argue that introducing a new person of either gender into an existing team has the potential to destabilize the team.

When my company interviews a new prospective team member, we absolutely pay attention to whether that person is a good fit both with the dynamics of the team which s/he will be joining and with the values and culture of our company. But this is so whether the candidate is male or female, and whether the dominant gender in the team is male or female. (We have both kinds of teams here).

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I've always been the single DBA in a team. But the team is a support desk or the network admin team or the dev team.

So your point is very valid. Each team member has a strength or weakness. I quite frankly never want to talk to end-users. And management realizes and accommodates that. But a team member male or female that deforms, distorts, or destroys the team is worthless regardless of sex.




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Posted Wednesday, August 28, 2013 8:04 PM


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A user group leader responded to an inquiry with: "We don't want female speakers. Our users only want to hear technical content."

First, what the <insert your own expression here>? Second, seriously? Third, WTF? I'm actually stunned that in 2013 we have someone that doesn't believe that female speakers can deliver technical content.


Wow - stunning but not necessarily surprising.

Maybe the group will change their tune and maybe the leader will change his tune.

On a different note, I'll let the offendee speak at my group. Send her my way and I will schedule her.




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This type of comment is not surprising at all. Yes prejudice still exists and no it is not going to go away anytime soon. Thanks for shedding some light on the incident Steve. The only way to reduce this type of behavior is to deter those that exhibit it by not tolerating it, calling it out, and showing the offender a more enlightened way. I think if that person stumbles upon this thread and reads some of the comments they'll be a better person for it.

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Agreed, but let's make sure ALL the facts are uncovered first before calling anyone out. Otherwise, it just turns the whole situation into a witch hunt.


You know who else were women?

Witches.


Off-topic: technically, men could also be witches. In Salem at least one men was convicted as a witch and put to death by putting a very big heavy stone on him (the correct term escapes my mind for the moment).


Giles Cory. He was pressed to death. They used a door and a series of stones....


I had a flatmate like that once.


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Posted Thursday, August 29, 2013 7:18 AM


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No JL, do you? A "witch hunt" does not refer to any specific gender in modern times. Maybe you need to look up the term in the dictionary.com before you just start calling people you don't even know sexists.

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TravisDBA (8/29/2013)
No JL, do you? A "witch hunt" does not refer to any specific gender in modern times. Maybe you need to look up the term in the dictionary.com before you just start calling people you don't even know sexists.




Dude...really? I doubt I could have made this any more obviously a joke if I'd painted a clown face on it.

Wasn't calling you a sexist.

But I will mock you for using dictionary.com.

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Posted Thursday, August 29, 2013 7:39 AM


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No JL, do you? A "witch hunt" does not refer to any specific gender in modern times. Maybe you need to look up the term in the dictionary.com before you just start calling people you don't even know sexists.




Dude...really? I doubt I could have made this any more obviously a joke if I'd painted a clown face on it.

Wasn't calling you a sexist.

But I will mock you for using dictionary.com.

Merriam-Webster ROOLZ!


Your actual original reply post to me was this:

"You know who else were women?

Witches.

Game, set, and match, Sexists. "


I was not under the understanding from that response that you were joking.


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Posted Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:10 AM


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Oh boy - flat earthers still exist.
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No JL, do you? A "witch hunt" does not refer to any specific gender in modern times. Maybe you need to look up the term in the dictionary.com before you just start calling people you don't even know sexists.




Dude...really? I doubt I could have made this any more obviously a joke if I'd painted a clown face on it.

Wasn't calling you a sexist.

But I will mock you for using dictionary.com.

Merriam-Webster ROOLZ!


Your actual original reply post to me was this:

"You know who else were women?

Witches.

Game, set, and match, Sexists. "


I was not under the understanding from that response that you were joking.


Dang...I shoulda used grease paint.

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