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Posted Thursday, August 29, 2013 9:22 AM


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chappellc (8/28/2013)
Steve,
I would hope that you would at the very least forward this forum link to the person in question. Perhaps a solid verbal bashing by a growing group of peers would do more to enlighten him than anything else.


...and maybe it won't. Anyway, that is not anyone's (including Steve's) place here to do that IMHO. We don't have all the facts, and even if we did I'm still not sure it is anyway, because this is just something Steve heard according to him.


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Steve,
I would hope that you would at the very least forward this forum link to the person in question. Perhaps a solid verbal bashing by a growing group of peers would do more to enlighten him than anything else.


...and maybe it won't. Anyway, that is not anyone's (including Steve's) place here to do that IMHO. We don't have all the facts, and even if we did I'm still not sure it is anyway, because this is just something Steve heard according to him.


Travis - Yes, we do not have all the facts, and we do not have the context. But we have one persons honest reaction. I trust Steve would not have twisted nor distorted this to make a point out of thin air. What we have in both Steve's interpretation and reaction to some comments that appeared to be way off. And in reality I believe that what Steve heard was a sexist remark. And that he was accurate in his recollection.

That said, a person might not need to read this board as a means of correction, but it might be an eye-opener to them to see the reaction to what they actually said or inferred in their words. Often we do not know what others hear when we think we speak correctly and honestly. But in all honesty we need to have clear feedback on what we say and do to insure we do not continue to offend, belittle, or disgrace people. A person can make an honest mistake and speak without their brain engaged, but if they had the brain engaged and said this knowingly, they have a serious problem.


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Dalkeith (8/29/2013)
Oh boy - flat earthers still exist.

Just like there are still folks who can't get around anything but a flat data model.


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Posted Thursday, August 29, 2013 9:52 AM


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Steve,
I would hope that you would at the very least forward this forum link to the person in question. Perhaps a solid verbal bashing by a growing group of peers would do more to enlighten him than anything else.


...and maybe it won't. Anyway, that is not anyone's (including Steve's) place here to do that IMHO. We don't have all the facts, and even if we did I'm still not sure it is anyway, because this is just something Steve heard according to him.


...a person might not need to read this board as a means of correction, but it might be an eye-opener to them to see the reaction to what they actually said or inferred in their words. Often we do not know what others hear when we think we speak correctly and honestly. But in all honesty we need to have clear feedback on what we say and do to insure we do not continue to offend, belittle, or disgrace people. A person can make an honest mistake and speak without their brain engaged, but if they had the brain engaged and said this knowingly, they have a serious problem.


Miles,

and it might not be an eye-opener at all. We just can't asume that it will be without all the facts first. Right now it is just hearsay, even though I too trust that Steve would not distort what he heard either, but nonetheless, it is still hearsay at this point. Anyway , I'm not sure it is our place to do that anyway, even if it was true.


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Dalkeith (8/29/2013)
Oh boy - flat earthers still exist.

Just like there are still folks who can't get around anything but a flat data model.


Yes and I keep reading articles saying that the flat data model is making a come back.

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Steve,
I would hope that you would at the very least forward this forum link to the person in question. Perhaps a solid verbal bashing by a growing group of peers would do more to enlighten him than anything else.


...and maybe it won't. Anyway, that is not anyone's (including Steve's) place here to do that IMHO. We don't have all the facts, and even if we did I'm still not sure it is anyway, because this is just something Steve heard according to him.


...a person might not need to read this board as a means of correction, but it might be an eye-opener to them to see the reaction to what they actually said or inferred in their words. Often we do not know what others hear when we think we speak correctly and honestly. But in all honesty we need to have clear feedback on what we say and do to insure we do not continue to offend, belittle, or disgrace people. A person can make an honest mistake and speak without their brain engaged, but if they had the brain engaged and said this knowingly, they have a serious problem.


Miles,

and it might not be an eye-opener at all. We just can't assume that it will be without all the facts first. Right now it is just hearsay, even though I too trust that Steve would not distort what he heard either, but nonetheless, it is still hearsay at this point. Anyway , I'm not sure it is our place to do that anyway, even if it was true.


I agree that is probably not my place nor yours. But if Steve did hear it and this is in fact what he heard, he does have the opportunity to say something, and probably should. After reading the comments on this board, I hope he does.



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Posted Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:02 AM


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I highly doubt he does, he has pretty much said he wouldn't in this thread already.

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Steve,
I would hope that you would at the very least forward this forum link to the person in question. Perhaps a solid verbal bashing by a growing group of peers would do more to enlighten him than anything else.


...and maybe it won't. Anyway, that is not anyone's (including Steve's) place here to do that IMHO. We don't have all the facts, and even if we did I'm still not sure it is anyway, because this is just something Steve heard according to him.


...a person might not need to read this board as a means of correction, but it might be an eye-opener to them to see the reaction to what they actually said or inferred in their words. Often we do not know what others hear when we think we speak correctly and honestly. But in all honesty we need to have clear feedback on what we say and do to insure we do not continue to offend, belittle, or disgrace people. A person can make an honest mistake and speak without their brain engaged, but if they had the brain engaged and said this knowingly, they have a serious problem.


Miles,

and it might not be an eye-opener at all. We just can't asume that it will be without all the facts first. Right now it is just hearsay, even though I too trust that Steve would not distort what he heard either, but nonetheless, it is still hearsay at this point. Anyway , I'm not sure it is our place to do that anyway, even if it was true.


It was hearsay for me, too. That's why I haven't pursued things further.







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Vera-428803 (8/28/2013)

I sometimes speak at schools ...
Most girls are scared because of the technical aspect of the job


Read that again and tell me that it doesn't sound sexist.


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I sometimes speak at schools ...
Most girls are scared because of the technical aspect of the job


Read that again and tell me that it doesn't sound sexist.



Mike,

I use to speak in colleges as well and I have to say in that day and age everyone was scared. The women were more expressive and you could read some of the fear on the faces. But the men were just as afraid, however they tried to hide it with their bravado. I have heard from both male and female that there was no interest in doing IT work as a career because it just looked like too much hard work and there had to be an easier way.

Funny story about one guys first day on the job doing IT and other work at a large library. Start of day he was told what he was to do and what the hours were plus expectations etc. He asked if there was a lunch and breaks and was told yes, and that the lunch hour was his to do with as he pleased. That day for his first lunch he left to eat and never came back. The expectations must have scared the daylights out of him. It is my belief that this type of thing happens to people of all genders, races, and religions.



Have a good one!

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